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WTN: Two from the other hemisphere...

by Jenise » Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:52 am

...that you should avoid.

2007 Nederburg Chardonnay, South Africa
The usual creamy oak cheap chardonnay flavors are dealt a double blow with a residual-sugar impression of sweetness on the entry and an aspartame-like bitter aftertaste. Below average even at $10.

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Re: WTN: Two from the other hemisphere...

by David M. Bueker » Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:00 am

So they are the "antipodiathis" of value.
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Re: WTN: Two from the other hemisphere...

by Salil » Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:27 pm

On the Nederburg - yikes. I've liked some of their cheaper red blends (Shiraz/Cab and Cab/Merlot), but haven't tried their whites. Going by that note I'll stay away (although I think the odds of me buying Chardonnay any time soon are very, very low :)).
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Re: WTN: Two from the other hemisphere...

by Jenise » Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:40 pm

Salil Benegal wrote:On the Nederburg - yikes. I've liked some of their cheaper red blends (Shiraz/Cab and Cab/Merlot), but haven't tried their whites. Going by that note I'll stay away (although I think the odds of me buying Chardonnay any time soon are very, very low :)).


I thought I had a Nederburg chardonnay about ten years ago that I thought was great value. Might just be a vintage issue. That said, we were out on the deck and it was a pretty day, so we finished the bottle.

Not so the Alamos, of which neither of us could not tolerate more than two sips. Rhododendron food!
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Re: WTN: Two from the other hemisphere...

by Ian Sutton » Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:24 pm

I guess that shows the folly of using residual sugar to hide imbalance or flavour issues in a wine. It might make it potable (if not palatable) to some, but it's no band-aid/elastoplast/Walmart proprietary sticking plaster.
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Re: WTN: Two from the other hemisphere...

by Sue Courtney » Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:47 pm

I don't know what has happened to Nederberg. They were once a very respected South African name and when I first discovered them, some were very good. Now they have morphed into cheap supermarket wines and last year, when I was recording supermrket specialling, they got down to NZ$6.99 on special, but even at the price they did not offer value for money. The Cabernet Sauvignon (?blend) I tasted only two years ago, was dull and bitter and riddled with barnyard and Brett. Vintage would have been 2005 or older. Maybe they have improved since then but you get a bit scared to go back and try again.
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Re: WTN: Two from the other hemisphere...

by Jenise » Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:42 pm

Ian Sutton wrote:I guess that shows the folly of using residual sugar to hide imbalance or flavour issues in a wine. It might make it potable (if not palatable) to some, but it's no band-aid/elastoplast/Walmart proprietary sticking plaster.


What was weird was how instead of turning into a simple syrup on the finish, it had that fake-sugar aftertaste. Very odd.
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Re: WTN: Two from the other hemisphere...

by Jenise » Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:43 pm

Sue Courtney wrote:I don't know what has happened to Nederberg. They were once a very respected South African name and when I first discovered them, some were very good. Now they have morphed into cheap supermarket wines and last year, when I was recording supermrket specialling, they got down to NZ$6.99 on special, but even at the price they did not offer value for money. The Cabernet Sauvignon (?blend) I tasted only two years ago, was dull and bitter and riddled with barnyard and Brett. Vintage would have been 2005 or older. Maybe they have improved since then but you get a bit scared to go back and try again.


My chardonnay suggests you shouldn't try again. :) But thanks for the validation on Nederburg, based on what I remember it would have been a no-brainer for a pre-tasting sipper, but the way it is now? No thank you!
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Re: WTN: Two from the other hemisphere...

by Salil » Thu Apr 30, 2009 1:48 pm

Sue Courtney wrote:I don't know what has happened to Nederberg. They were once a very respected South African name and when I first discovered them, some were very good. Now they have morphed into cheap supermarket wines and last year, when I was recording supermrket specialling, they got down to NZ$6.99 on special, but even at the price they did not offer value for money. The Cabernet Sauvignon (?blend) I tasted only two years ago, was dull and bitter and riddled with barnyard and Brett. Vintage would have been 2005 or older. Maybe they have improved since then but you get a bit scared to go back and try again.

I've had a couple of the cheaper 04 Nederburg Cab/Merlot and Cab/Shiraz blends - very cheap, but quite solid and I didn't find the brett/barnyard/bitterness that you mentioned.

Will try one or two in the summer at some point and report back.

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