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Rec for a Terroir loaded wine

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Rec for a Terroir loaded wine

by David L » Wed Dec 15, 2010 9:21 pm

I am looking for a recommendation for an Israeli (Kosher) terroir loaded wine. Something unfiltered or without irrigation, a wine that you can really taste the land it grew on. For informational purposes, i live in Teaneck and have access to all tri state area wine shops.
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Re: Rec for a Terroir loaded wine

by David Raccah » Wed Dec 15, 2010 9:47 pm

Tzora Nive Ilan or almost any red Tzora high end
Tzuba Pinot, Merlot or Cab , though I like the Cab and Pinot more than the Merlot
2007 Ella Valley Unoaked Chardonnay
Castel wines
Mony low end wines - like Kikar Shabbos
Ben Ami Cabernet - really!
Odem Mountain Winery Cab, Volcanic - not so strong

To me Tzora, Tzuba, Castel, and Ella Valley scream terroir in Israel.

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Re: Rec for a Terroir loaded wine

by Craig Winchell » Thu Dec 16, 2010 12:05 am

I fail to understand your desire to have unfiltered wine or from unirrigated vineyards. While both are popular conceptually with a large group of posers, one would hope that most wine amateurs would see through to the essence, which is, simply, whether or not the wine tastes good at the time of consumption, and in your case, displays sensory characteristics which are so characteristic of where it is grown as to be unmistakable. Perhaps it is just me, but I often find unfiltered and/or dry farmed wines unattractive (depending, of course, upon who made them-stylistically and how-with what degree of proper care). Too often heavy-handed and unbalanced, which stand in the way of assessing terroir satisfactorily.
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Re: Rec for a Terroir loaded wine

by David L » Thu Dec 16, 2010 12:10 am

Craig,
I appreciate the response. I am buying for for a friend who is into these wines. Very into everything being very natural and not "played" around with.

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Re: Rec for a Terroir loaded wine

by Craig Winchell » Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:17 am

Although you request info on Israeli kosher wines, I have recently had some California wines displaying terrior, from the Weiss boys. Although they have a long way to go in terms of developmental winemaking, their minimalist approach front-loads their wines with terrior not overshadowed by the ultra-ripe fruit from which they produce their wine.
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Re: Rec for a Terroir loaded wine

by Daniel Rogov » Thu Dec 16, 2010 3:27 am

David, Hi....

Agree in general with David Raccah's list but as a summary statement when it comes to terroir I would list three wineries:
Tzora, Tzora and Tzora.

Like Craig, I could write a long, long essay on the relationship (if any) between minimal intervention, non-filtration and terroir, for this is a relationship that may or may not exist in reality.

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Re: Rec for a Terroir loaded wine

by Ilan T » Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:02 am

Daniel Rogov wrote:Like Craig, I could write a long, long essay on the relationship (if any) between minimal intervention, non-filtration and terroir, for this is a relationship that may or may not exist in reality.


How about an essay on whether terroir exists beyond vineyard character, marketing, and a whole lot of romance? I'd read that.
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Re: Rec for a Terroir loaded wine

by Daniel Rogov » Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:12 am

Ilan T wrote:How about an essay on whether terroir exists beyond vineyard character, marketing, and a whole lot of romance? I'd read that.



Aha...now that's an easy one, for the personna of a wine is much like the development of human intelligence (or, for that matter, schizophrenia), a complex set of interactions between genetics and environment. Turning for a moment a combination of biology and psychology, the genotype in question are the variety, its clone, the soil and the macro and micro-climates and the phenotype is whatever intervention is determined appropriate in the vineyard, the winemaking processes and the will of the winemaker.

How's that for a complex answer in merely two sentences?

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Re: Rec for a Terroir loaded wine

by Ilan T » Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:20 am

Daniel Rogov wrote:How's that for a complex answer in merely two sentences?


Certainly a quicker read than I expected :-)
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Re: Rec for a Terroir loaded wine

by Joel D Parker » Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:52 am

If he's flexible on the kashrut issue, I think that Clos de Gat and Margalit use various techniques to emphasize terroir. Margalit does not use irrigation, and Clos de Gat only uses natural yeasts on the grapes, if I'm not mistaken.

As for kosher, I know the Segal unfiltered Cabernet single vineyard is also supposed to be a good wine for terroir, etc., and I will post Daniel Rogov's most recent TN for the 2007 vintage,

Segal, Cabernet Sauvignon, Unfiltered, 2007: Showing even better than at barrel tastings and perhaps the best of Segal's unfiltered Cabernet Sauvignon releases to date. Developed in barriques for 19 months and, as it should be, the wood always in the background adding to and not dominating the wine. Dark garnet, full-bodied, with a black fruit and spicy nose, showing firm tannins that yield comfortably in the glass to reveal on first attack blackberries and bitter-sweet chocolate, those followed by notes of red and black currants, those matched nicely by notes of cloves, dill and black olives all lingering nicely on a long and generous finish. Approachable and enjoyable now but best from 2012-2017, perhaps longer. NIS 225. Score 92. K (Re-tasted 7 Nov 2010)

Personally, I would second Tzora Vineyards though, as good QPR for an Israeli Kosher wine. I liked the Givat Hachalukim the best of the reds, and the Gwurztraminer of the whites.

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Re: Rec for a Terroir loaded wine

by Jonathan Kalman » Thu Dec 16, 2010 2:25 pm

Joel D Parker wrote:Personally, I would second Tzora Vineyards though, as good QPR for an Israeli Kosher wine. I liked the Givat Hachalukim the best of the reds, and the Gwurztraminer of the whites.
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Add my vote for Tzora. The wine here is getting better and better. I have enjoyed several bottles of the Gwurztraminer recently.

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