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Howie Hart
The Hart of Buffalo
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 4:13 pm
Niagara Falls, NY
Ben Rotter
Ultra geek
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Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:59 pm
Sydney, Australia (currently)
Dan Smothergill wrote:after primary fermentation and stirring them up occasionally afterwards. Not until the final racking before filtering/bottling are they discarded. I've heard this technique advocated recently by several commercial wine makers as a method for improving mouth feel and rounding off wines that might otherwise be too acidic. One, in fact, who was trained in France said he couldn't believe to find when he first came to the US that it was not standard practice.
Typically, on a a first racking there are lees that have more or less solidified at the bottom of the carboy along with other stuff that's floating around close to the bottom. Is it as simple as just keeping the latter? Does anyone out there do a dirty first racking? What has been your experience?
Mike Filigenzi
Known for his fashionable hair
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Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:43 pm
Sacramento, CA
It's a matter of taking only "clean" lees (i.e., aromatically attractive, fine-sized lees devoid of fruit particulate matter - so not the stuff floating around in the bottom of the carboy) along in the racking.
increased mouthfeel, less fruit and more complexity, and lower total SO2's in your wines.
congratulations Dan for your award wining wines
Dan Smothergill wrote:Ben:
I was afraid of this. It puts me back at square one on just how to go about getting those good lees. As a practical matter, I can't measure in microns. Ben says to avoid what's floating around near the bottom. Might the solution be to do the racking very soon after primary fermentation while the various particulates still are in suspension. All the gunk at the bottom, the solids and floating jetsam, then could be discarded as usual. Somehow this seems too simple.
Ben Rotter
Ultra geek
295
Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:59 pm
Sydney, Australia (currently)
Dan Smothergill wrote:I was afraid of this. It puts me back at square one on just how to go about getting those good lees. As a practical matter, I can't measure in microns. Ben says to avoid what's floating around near the bottom. Might the solution be to do the racking very soon after primary fermentation while the various particulates still are in suspension. All the gunk at the bottom, the solids and floating jetsam, then could be discarded as usual. Somehow this seems too simple.
Mike Filigenzi
Known for his fashionable hair
8187
Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:43 pm
Sacramento, CA
Mike Filigenzi wrote:Ben -
We've never done any sur lie aging of our reds. I like the idea, though, and I'll lobby our group to try it out this year.
One question - are there any lasting effects on the barrels used for this? I'm assuming there aren't if you clean them out well after use.
Thanks!
Howie Hart
The Hart of Buffalo
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 4:13 pm
Niagara Falls, NY
Congratulations Dan. How true about not knowing what the judges think. I entered a few that I thought quite highly of, but I got skunked this year. Oh, well.Dan Smothergill wrote:congratulations Dan for your award wining wines
Thanks Victor. You never know how these things will go. I also entered a Chardonnay which seemed to me the best of my 2006's and possibly the best Chardonnay I've done. It got nothing! I'll be interested to read the judges' comments about it.
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