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David M. Bueker
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
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Oliver McCrum
Wine guru
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:08 am
Oakland, CA; Cigliè, Piedmont
Michael Pronay wrote:Just my 2¢:
What happened in Chile — merlot being discovered as carmenère — also happened in northern Italy, albeit on a much smaller (and much less publicized) base, and not with merlot, but cabernet franc.
Maurizio Zanella from Cà del Bosco in Lombardia ordered cabernet franc from an Italian and a French nursery. Quite obviously, they were not the same. In a kind of pre-court settlement all parties agreed on Pierre Galet, the ampelographist guru from University of Montpellier, as referee. He identified the Italian version as being carmenère.
There is already one minor Italian DOC that specificly names carmenère as authorized variety, but I don't remember the name.
Maurizio Zanella, btw, chose to bottle the Italian version separately as vino da tavola and called it "Carmeneto".
Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
David M. Bueker wrote:The growers knew it was Carmenere long before they were allowed to have it on wine labels (apparently by both the Chilean and US governments).
Oliver McCrum wrote:Michael Pronay wrote:Just my 2¢:
What happened in Chile — merlot being discovered as carmenère — also happened in northern Italy, albeit on a much smaller (and much less publicized) base, and not with merlot, but cabernet franc.
Maurizio Zanella from Cà del Bosco in Lombardia ordered cabernet franc from an Italian and a French nursery. Quite obviously, they were not the same. In a kind of pre-court settlement all parties agreed on Pierre Galet, the ampelographist guru from University of Montpellier, as referee. He identified the Italian version as being carmenère.
There is already one minor Italian DOC that specificly names carmenère as authorized variety, but I don't remember the name.
Maurizio Zanella, btw, chose to bottle the Italian version separately as vino da tavola and called it "Carmeneto".
Michel,
Almost all the 'Cabernet Franc' in Friuli is in fact Carmenere. I rather like the better examples, but it's weedier than CF.
Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
Bob Ross wrote:Great story, Hoke. I see that Robin reviewed the 1996 of this wine in 1998:
http://www.wineloverspage.com/wines/wt072198.shtml
Ah, and the 1995 vintage as well:
http://www.wineloverspage.com/wines/chile.htm
Paul Winalski
Wok Wielder
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:16 pm
Merrimack, New Hampshire
Liz Gray wrote:Is there any particular rule that states the Cab Sav and Merlot grapes have to be the two major grapes in any Bordeaux red? What happens if one were to increase, say, the Petit Verdot to where there's more Petit Verdot than the Merlot? What attributes do the Petit Verdot, Malbec, Cab Franc and Carmenere possess that causes them to be used so infrequently in comparison to the Merlot and Cab Sav?
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