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Malolactic fermentation or no?

by Jim Cassidy » Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:10 pm

We have two batches of new wine from this year's crop, and are undecided whether to dose them with the bacteria for malolactic fermentation.

Zin has a brix of 24.2, pH 3.2, and a TA of 0.65.

Cab has brix 24.0, pH 3.2, and TA 0.73.

Any opinions?

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Re: Malolactic fermentation of no?

by Victorwine » Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:07 pm

Hi Jim,
The “final decision” is yours, you’re the winemaker. If the wine taste good to you now don’t let it undergo ML. But words of caution- make sure you protect the wine so that later on in it’s evolution it doesn’t become “fizzy” or worse (well messy anyway) “exploding corks”! (BTW those numbers are harvest (crush) numbers do you have post- primary fermentation numbers?)

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Re: Malolactic fermentation of no?

by Mike Filigenzi » Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:49 pm

As Victor says, if you like the wine now then why change it? However, from our experience, you will need to actively prevent ML if you don't want it to occur. Our wines seem to always undergo this and we don't inoculate to get it started.

There's a good discussion of ML at: http://lfbisson.ucdavis.edu/PDF/VEN124%20Section%204.pdf
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Re: Malolactic fermentation of no?

by Ernie in Berkeley » Sun Oct 14, 2007 3:26 pm

I would inoculate. While malo does occur by itself, the strains might not be what you want, and you won't control when it's finished. Using a recognized bacteria strain, you'll see malolactic fermentation start within a day and it'll be done in a month or so. The wine will be more stable in the long run.
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Re: Malolactic fermentation of no?

by Frank Drew » Sun Oct 14, 2007 3:37 pm

I thought red wines always, or virtually always, go through malo.
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Re: Malolactic fermentation of no?

by James Dietz » Sun Oct 14, 2007 5:51 pm

Frank Drew wrote:I thought red wines always, or virtually always, go through malo.


Me too.. maybe someone can enlighten??
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Re: Malolactic fermentation of no?

by rumpole » Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:35 pm

Yes, soften the acids (my answer, but opinions will vary).
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Re: Malolactic fermentation or no?

by Paul Winalski » Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:30 pm

Does the wine taste of tart green apples? If so, it needs to be put through malo.

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Re: Malolactic fermentation of no?

by Thomas » Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:46 pm

Frank Drew wrote:I thought red wines always, or virtually always, go through malo.


Generally the rule, and a good one too. With all the tannin, red wine malic acidity really ought to be kept in check.

I just noticed the pH of Jim's juice--3.2.

Jim, can you get it to at least 3.3 pH? ML has a tough time starting with lower pH.
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Re: Malolactic fermentation of no?

by Victorwine » Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:23 pm

Generally during alcoholic fermentation my acid drops somewhat and my pH rises. (Those numbers Jim posted look like “crush” (or “harvest”) numbers). There are lactic acid bacteria (LAB) available to home winemakers that work fairly well in low pH wines.

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