Lou Kessler wrote:TimMc wrote:Lou Kessler wrote:TimMc wrote:Wow!
Obviously, there are many different perceptions realitive to the Central Coast...not the least of which is price.
I have traveled up and down the California Coast/Wine regions and I can clearly tell you, and without hesitation, that the Napa/Sonoma Region has completely priced me out.
I would have to take out a second mortgage to be able to afford Napa/Sonoma wines. These guys are all about the greed and nothing about the enjoyment of wine. The price of wine is all about profit up there. They could care less about your average wine lover. The more you make yearly...the more they love you. Screw the average guy.
The Paso Robles/Tempelton/Santa Maria/Santa Barbara Regions have allowed me to, once again, enjoy fine wine without having to rob the local Wells Fargo to afford it.
I support them with all my heart.
Tim, economics 101- the price of things are determined by supply and demand. If the buying public sees the central coast as worth more money per bottle of wine than they do now the prices will rise. In fact if the quality is great, you will pay more, it's inevitable.
I will repeat "Screw the average guy" just sounds like sour grapes. I could say "maybe you should work harder so you are able to earn more money". My previous statement is one that I find to be disgusting and just as much out of line as "screw the average guy".
There are and have been many things that I have not been able to afford during my life, but I don't feel it's because people are out to screw me.
Well, let me offer an example or two of why I think Napa/Sonoma are purposely trying to out exclusive the wine world and therefore are screwing the average wine drinker.
Typically, many wineries ask for a modest tasting fee of a couple bucks to help offset the wines opened for drinking that day. Napa/Sonoma, OTOH, charge upwards of $15 dollars per tasting and, in Silver Oaks case, for one taste. They have summarially jacked the prices up on wine astronomically, and as a matter of course, over the past ten years.
Far Niente, for example, used to charge $40 dollars 6-7 years ago for their Cabernet...today, you can't touch one for under $100 bucks. The other wineries in the area have followed suit and people are plunking down an average $35-50 dollars a bottle for lots of unproven vintages. Clearly, the area is pushing the envelope of the market to get all they can and when they can. The last time [about 5 years ago] I bought a bottle from that area of premium cabernet wine cost me nearly $40 dollars....and it was a huge disappointment. Quiet frankly, the area is trading on a name not on quality or a suitable price for wine which might run $6-8 bucks a bottle to produce; vineyard to store shelf. I'm not coming back until they come back to their collective senses price-wise.
Now I am not at all suggesting there are not excellent wines to be had from numerous vintners in the area. There are many. What I am saying is they have completely priced me and others like me out...and permanently. Only those with the money [few of whom actually understand wine in my experience] are able to afford Napa/Sonoma.
Napa/Sonoma has become a status symbol only available to those with big bucks to spend.
OTOH, Alexander Valley is still affordable....but I support the Central Coast because they, in large part, don't gouge the consumer.
You really didn't understand what I wrote in my original answer to your post. ( Not a clue) So I guess I'll humor your paranoia. I just returned from a meeting of the local vintners this morning where the main topic discussed was how to keep Tim Mc from being able to purchase any of the wines made here in Napa or Sonoma. This duo of evil is determined to sell their wines to only "the right kind of people" which Tim Mc is obviously not.
Have a good day, no more time for crap like your opinions.
I understood you just fine, thanks.
With all due respect here, Lou, you're missing my point about cost and value vs affordability and access. If you recall, my point was that the contrived exclusive on premium wines via their purposeful pricing schedule have priced people like me out. I doubt seriously there is a vendetta against me, personally, and I honestly fail to understand how you came to this unfortunate conclusion given the information I provided. The only point I can make along those lines are from my own experiences, price comparisons and what others tell me about their particular experiences with Napa/Sonoma. Maybe this is where you figured I meant only I was affected, I won't speculate.
Besides, IMHO, the so-called "invisible hand of the marketplace" is morally corrupt and ethically bankrupt. A philosophy of get all you can while you can is a recipe for greed. Pure and simple.
Perhaps you could do a market comparison between Napa/Sonoma and the Central Coast relative to how much wine is purchased and by whom. The demographics may surprise you, I don't know, but the bottom line is Napa/Sonoma have succeeded in pricing me and those moderate income wine lovers like me, completely out of that market. In short, we're screwed.
Don't shoot me, I'm only the messenger.
TimMc, Average Guy