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Best First Growth?

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Premiers Grands Cru

Chateau Lafite-Rothschild
4
22%
Chateau Latour
6
33%
Chateau Margaux
3
17%
Chateau Mouton Rothchild
1
6%
Chateau Haut-Brion
4
22%
 
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Best First Growth?

by Bill Hooper » Sun Jul 30, 2006 11:03 pm

I'm sure this poll's been done before, aber who in YHO, is the best 1855 Premiers Grands Cru Classes?
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Re: Best First Growth?

by Robin Garr » Sun Jul 30, 2006 11:14 pm

Bill Hooper wrote:I'm sure this poll's been done before, aber who in YHO, is the best 1855 Premiers Grands Cru Classes?


Errr, where is Haut-Brion?
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Re: Best First Growth?

by Otto » Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:59 am

Randy R wrote:
Robin Garr wrote:Errr, where is Haut-Brion?


In a class by itself!


Well, the class by itself gets my vote. Earth rocks and HB has spadefuls of it.
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Re: Best First Growth?

by Peter May » Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:07 am

I'll put myhands up and admit have not drunk enough of them to judge
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Re: Best First Growth?

by James Roscoe » Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:37 am

Lafitte is the only one I've come close too (I smelled the dregs of an empty bottle). It had the most dilightful aroma of any wine I've been near. Now I admit I am throwing off the results of this poll which doesn't include HB.
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Re: Best First Growth?

by Sam Platt » Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:38 am

If I have not tasted them can I still vote? :)
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Re: Best First Growth?

by wrcstl » Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:11 pm

I would have to vote Haut Brion for character and interest and Margaux for elegance.
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Re: Best First Growth?

by James Dietz » Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:14 pm

Indeed, no HB option
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Re: Best First Growth?

by Art Morris » Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:23 pm

Sadly, I can't vote as I haven't been fortunate enough to try them! :cry:
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Re: Best First Growth?

by Hoke » Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:25 pm

There is no best.

There is only your favorite. And my favorite changes. Often. Depends a lot on mood, occasion, food, company, and vintage available

More often than not, though, my favorite would be Haut-Brion.

Not that I drink any of them like I used to, mind you. Now they are occasional. And not very occasional.
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Re: Best First Growth?

by Ian Sutton » Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:29 pm

I've only tasted two first growths and both were utterly (though not unexpectedly) oxidised. They were 1960 vintage and a friend bought them for his 40th birthday.

So still haven't a clue!
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Re: Best First Growth?

by Howie Hart » Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:44 pm

I've had the following:
'67 Haut Brion - $10 (1977)
'67 Lafite - $10 (1977)
After drinking the above, my wife and I fell in love with the Lafite, so we purchased a case of the '75 Lafite (year of our wedding) - $30 (1978) and have opened 1 bottle every 5 years - great stuff. As my wife passed away in '04, the last bottle I opened was shared with my sons, in her memory. They all were amazed by the wine.
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Re: Best First Growth?

by Isaac » Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:05 pm

Not enough? How about none, ever?
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Re: Best First Growth?

by Bill Hooper » Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:14 pm

I thought I put HB in there before I hit Submit. I've been having conection problems. Damn sprint card. Sorry. Is there any way to edit?
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Re: Best First Growth?

by Bill Spohn » Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:30 pm

Latour is a clear best with Lafite, Haut Brion and Margaux clustered behind, nipping at its heels.

IMNSHO, Mouton does not deserve 1st growth status - a 1.5 growth, if you will. In many years it is bettered by higher level 2nd growths, Las Cases in particular.
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Re: Best First Growth?

by Robin Garr » Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:32 pm

Bill Hooper wrote:I thought I put HB in there before I hit Submit. I've been having conection problems. Damn sprint card. Sorry. Is there any way to edit?


I can probably edit it for you, Bill. I'll give it a try.
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Re: Best First Growth?

by Bill Hooper » Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:45 am

Thanks Robin!
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Re: Best First Growth?

by Michael Pronay » Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:45 am

<nitpickingmode>

Mouton ist not an "1855 Premier Grand Cru Classé".

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Re: Best First Growth?

by Bill Spohn » Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:31 am

Well spotted, Michael.

The question of whether it should be today is another interesting discussion.
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Re: Best First Growth?

by Michael Pronay » Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:58 pm

That's why one should refer to "left bank Premiers Grand Crus Classés reds", because one always tends to forget that to the four reds from 1855 come one "Premier Cru Supérieur" (Yquem) and 9 other "1855 Premiers Grands Crus Classés" in white (today 11).
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