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Proportion Check: Red to White to Sparkling

Postby Jeff B » Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:12 am

What is the approximate ratio of red to white to sparkling currently in your cellar?

I think a post like this has been done before but I wasn't sure.

Mine is skewed almost entirely towards bubbles...:)

I do have a tiny percentage of reds stored away. Mostly Beringer Private Reserves. But that's about it.

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Re: Proportion Check: Red to White to Sparkling

Postby Jay Labrador » Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:30 am

Red about 54%. White about 38%. Bubbly about 8%. I wish I had more bubbly, though. Champagne is my favorite wine.
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Re: Proportion Check: Red to White to Sparkling

Postby Howie Hart » Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:41 am

I have two different "cellars"; one for my "home made" and one for "store-bought". Right now my "home made" is about 45% red, 35% white, 10% rosé and about 10% bubbly. My "store-bought is about 40% white, 40% red, 10% sweeties (ice wines), 5% rosé and 5% bubbly. I have to start making sweeties. 8)
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Re: Proportion Check: Red to White to Sparkling

Postby David M. Bueker » Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:05 pm

White: 50%
Red: 43%
Sparkling: 7%
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Re: Proportion Check: Red to White to Sparkling

Postby David Creighton » Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:43 pm

i can't give exact %s; but since many reds need to age, i figure i need at least 10 years worth on backup. whites i generally drink withib a year of purchase, so only one year inventory give or take. bubbles get treated like white for storing purposes.
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Re: Proportion Check: Red to White to Sparkling

Postby Dale Williams » Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:47 pm

CT shows a bit over 70% red, 28% white, 2% sparkling
But I only enter wines that I intend to cellar for a bit. So don't usually enter basic Bourgogne, Muscadet that's not Briords, Sancerre that's not Cotat, rose that's not LdH, most NV Champagne, QbA Riesling, etc etc etc.
I'd guess consumption is more like 45% red, 40% white, 8% sparkling. 6% rose 1% dessert

Red  71.24%
Red (dry) 70.95%,
Red - Fortified  0.29%,

White  28.22%
White (dryish) 14.85%,
White - Off-dry 7.89%,
White - Sweet/Dessert ( $3,849.
White - Sparkling (32 bottles, 1.57%,

Rosé ( 0.54%,
Rosé - Sparkling ( 0.39%
  Rosé ( 0.15%,
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Re: Proportion Check: Red to White to Sparkling

Postby Jim Grow » Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:03 pm

Red: 83%
White: 7%
Bubblies: 10%
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Re: Proportion Check: Red to White to Sparkling

Postby JC (NC) » Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:14 pm

Red: 71+%
White: 26+%
Rose': 2%
Bubblies: 1/2%

Somewhat close to Dale's proportionately but probably more domestic wines in my collection.
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Re: Proportion Check: Red to White to Sparkling

Postby Salil » Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:56 pm

A little over 50% red (no sparkling), little under 50% white, out of which 5% is sparkling. And a lone bottle of rosé (also sparkling) in the cellar.

Interestingly the red % has gone up rapidly in the last year or two... at one point recently (after my 2009 German/Austrian purchases) it was about 65% whites, though with a negligible amount of sparkling wine.
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Re: Proportion Check: Red to White to Sparkling

Postby David M. Bueker » Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:01 pm

Salil wrote:Interestingly the red % has gone up rapidly in the last year or two... at one point recently (after my 2009 German/Austrian purchases) it was about 65% whites, though with a negligible amount of sparkling wine.


I know that story. After the legendary 2001 German purchases, my cellar was 68% white wine. The balance is better now.
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Re: Proportion Check: Red to White to Sparkling

Postby Jon Peterson » Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:09 pm

My breakdown is about as follows (I took some rounding liberties with the Cellar-tracker numbers):

Red - 75%
White - 20%
White - Sparkling 5% (I have one Rosé sparkler)

While I consider myself a red wine drinker, this explains why I'm always running out of white wine!
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Re: Proportion Check: Red to White to Sparkling

Postby David M. Bueker » Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:22 pm

Even more interesting than the proportions (at least to me) is that the average age of my cellar is now nearly 9 years old. the single largest vintage is 2001 (no shock there), representing 15.7% of the cellar.

Also, the cellar is 44% Riesling, so I've got that going for me.

Top producer is Donnhoff (again, no shock) with right around 10% of the cellar. Edmunds St. John (!!) is the top red producer in 4th place behind Donnhoff, Selbach-Oster and J. J. Prum.

Germany still leads the way with 42% of the cellar, though France is catching up with 37%.
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Re: Proportion Check: Red to White to Sparkling

Postby Sam Platt » Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:26 pm

Cellared (channeling Jon):
Red - 75%
White - 20%
Sparkling - 5%

Consumed (average year):
Red - 40%
White - 50%
Sparkling - 10%
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Postby Salil » Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:31 pm

Average vintage in the cellar here is roughly 2004 (thanks to a lot of backfilling in certain regions - mainly Bordeaux, and buying as much 01 German Riesling as I can get my hands on). Most of my cellar's fairly young, though the average vintage for my Bordeaux - a rapidly growing part of the cellar - is 1989.

Germany's gone down to 'only' 37% of the cellar - might be because Austria's up to 8%. (Of course, if you're Garagiste, you could always bunch the two together and throw Alsace in there, then just call it all old German wine. :twisted: )

Interesting to see how the producer allocations in the cellar have changed too. Reds are heavily Rhone-dominated - Baudry at the top, but followed by Texier, Gonon, Verset and Allemand.
For whites, Donnhoff at the top, followed by Willi Schaefer, Hirtzberger, JJ Prum (I blame Herr Bueker and a recent tasting of some stellar Prums that got me buying again) and Catoir.
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Re: Proportion Check: Red to White to Sparkling

Postby Mark Lipton » Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:37 pm

According to CT:
red - 84%
white - 14%
rosé - 2%

Like Dale's, my statistics are skewed by not entering things intended for near-term drinking, so our consumption pattern is far more even, probably something like 45/40/10/5 white/red/rosé/sparkling. As for the evolution of these numbers, 10 years ago my cellar would have been 100% red, so it's definitely shifting more toward white and rosé and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. Breaking the cellar down by age, I see that the average bottle is now 8 years old, ranging from 1961-2011. And the top producers represented are, in order: Ridge, Dom. du Pegau, ESJ, Dom. de la Pepiere, Chidaine, Ch. de Beaucastel, Cowan Cellars (!!), Navarro, Jean-Paul Brun and Vieux Telegraphe.

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Re: Proportion Check: Red to White to Sparkling

Postby Ian Sutton » Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:39 pm

Just done this recently - but figures from memory
Red 79%
White 20%
Sparkling 1% (but might be edging nearer 2% after recent purchases)
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Re: Proportion Check: Red to White to Sparkling

Postby Tom Troiano » Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:56 pm

Not real scientific but in the ballpark....

Dry Red 60-70%
Dry White <10%
Sweet White/Port 20-25%
Sparkling <10%
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Re: Proportion Check: Red to White to Sparkling

Postby John S » Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:45 pm

Hmmm, according to CT, I'm at about 52% red, 46% white and 2% sparkling (mainly white, but some red too). About 7% of my whites and 1.5% of my reds are sweet/dessert/fortified. That sounds about right to me! I think my percentage of reds has creeped up a bit lately as well. My average vintage is 2004.
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Re: Proportion Check: Red to White to Sparkling

Postby Ian Sutton » Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:36 pm

average vintage 2001.7, but it would have been closer to 2001 a few weeks ago
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Re: Proportion Check: Red to White to Sparkling

Postby Dale Williams » Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:41 pm

Average vintage 2000.2 (range 1929-2011).
Top vintage 2005, followed by 2001 & 2002
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Re: Proportion Check: Red to White to Sparkling

Postby Jon Peterson » Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:45 pm

Sam Platt wrote:Cellared (channeling Jon):
Red - 75%
White - 20%
Sparkling - 5%

Consumed (average year):
Red - 40%
White - 50%
Sparkling - 10%


Interesting, Sam. And I notice that you drink more white than red, too, yet red predominates in the cellar. There's something there to think about.
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Re: Proportion Check: Red to White to Sparkling

Postby David M. Bueker » Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:54 pm

Looking at the consumption figures I now understand why I keep having to buy Champagne. While it's 7% of my cellar it is nearly 15% of consumption! The rest is pretty evenly split between white and red.
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Re: Proportion Check: Red to White to Sparkling

Postby Kelly Young » Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:43 pm

Red 31%
White 67%
Rose 1%
Sparkling 1%

That pretty much reflects my drinking pattern too.
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Re: Proportion Check: Red to White to Sparkling

Postby Jon Leifer » Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:50 pm

roughly 67% red, 30% white, 2% rose and 1% sparkling
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