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Coupla recent whites

by John Treder » Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:07 pm

California, Russian River Valley, Martinelli Gold Ridge Chardonnay 2000
$27.00 in 4/03, consumed 11/06.
Brassy gold color, malo nose, mature oak and malo CalChard. Very good, if it's what you like. I think it's smoother than it would have been a couple or three years ago. Yorkshire chicken (yes, chicken and Yorkshire pudding) last night, clam chowder this evening. I'd have a hard time drinking this by itself, but with the assertive dinner menus it worked Ok. Not my glass of wine, though.

Germany, Mosel-Saar-Ruwer, Dr. Loosen Wehlener Sonnenuhr Riesling Kabinett 1999
$14.40 in 2/01, consumed 11/06.
Petrol and an oily texture, but unexpectedly sweet. Light yellow, little aroma. An excellent choice with crab souffle.
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Re: Coupla recent whites

by Randy Buckner » Sat Dec 02, 2006 12:10 am

Dr. Loosen Wehlener Sonnenuhr Riesling Kabinett 1999


You have more patience than me -- I already sucked back my six bottles.
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Re: Coupla recent whites

by James Roscoe » Sat Dec 02, 2006 12:18 am

I'm having a hard time finding Dr Loosen in Maryland. The Dr. Heidemann's seems to be a decent substitute.
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Re: Coupla recent whites

by Saina » Sat Dec 02, 2006 2:40 pm

Randy Buckner wrote:
Dr. Loosen Wehlener Sonnenuhr Riesling Kabinett 1999


You have more patience than me -- I already sucked back my six bottles.


I've found the '99 Kabs to have opened up pretty nicely in the past year or so. Yet they too often seem a bit flabby and not acidic enough. How was the acidity of the Loosen?

What would you all suggest that I try with Loosen? I've had bad luck with the producer. I read everywhere that they are great, but I've never tried one that I'd have loved.
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Re: Coupla recent whites

by John Treder » Sat Dec 02, 2006 2:52 pm

'Twas my last.

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Re: Coupla recent whites

by John Treder » Sat Dec 02, 2006 2:54 pm

Acidity? What's that? ;^)

Lack of acidity may be what made it seem so sweet, but it really seemed to me like a mislabeled spatlese.
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Re: Coupla recent whites

by Saina » Sat Dec 02, 2006 3:00 pm

John - Santa Clara wrote:but it really seemed to me like a mislabeled spatlese.


I thought the norm today was that each Prädikat on the label is actually one Prädikat above: Kabs are Späts, Späts are Aus's, Aus's are BA, BAs are TBAs, TBAs are Tokaji Esszencias ;)

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Re: Coupla recent whites

by Brian Gilp » Sat Dec 02, 2006 6:51 pm

California, Russian River Valley, Martinelli Gold Ridge Chardonnay 2000


Funny thing. I use to be on the Martinelli mailing list. I ended up having to feed the septic the last 7-8 (maybe more) whites I opened. All had flaws. Reds were fine and I still have many in the cellar. The problems were not the same nor contained to any single bottling but crossed vintanges and varietals.

I went years without a single bad bottle from them and then every white I had was just off. Strange.
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Re: Coupla recent whites

by John Treder » Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:38 am

>> I thought the norm today was that each Prädikat on the label is actually one Prädikat above: Kabs are Späts <<

Ya think that was true way back in '99, the year I retired? :-)

I've heard that, and strangely I haven't heard anybody in the industry complaining that people are heaping vile calumnies upon them.

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Re: Coupla recent whites

by Saina » Sun Dec 03, 2006 2:19 am

John - Santa Clara wrote:(Oh. You're in Finland. Need translation?)


I wouldn't have had you not asked! :) What do you mean? I thought the text was clear?

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Re: Coupla recent whites

by Bob Parsons Alberta » Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:47 am

Otto, are you going to post over here on that gooseberry wine you tasted the other day!!??
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Re: Coupla recent whites

by John Treder » Sun Dec 03, 2006 1:13 pm

I was re-reading my post and I wasn't sure whether you'd get "heaping vile calumnies". You (and many others here) write such good English that I sometimes forget that it isn't your native language, and I use words and phrases that are a bit out of the ordinary.
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Re: Coupla recent whites

by Oliver McCrum » Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:35 pm

Somewhat mature Kabinet and crab-cakes, my mouth is watering.

My understanding is that better German producers usually 'de-classify' their pradikat, so the wine will almost always have the must-weight of the next highest pradikat.
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Re: Coupla recent whites

by John Treder » Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:05 pm

It was good. We'd had fresh local crab the night before, and there was just enough left over to make a souffle. :-)

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