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WTN: Forlorn-Hope Dragone Ramato PinotGris '16...(short/bori

by TomHill » Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:40 pm

Tried this last night w/ Susan:
1. Forlorn-Hope Dragone Ramato PinotGris RorickVnyd/CalaverasCnty (Skin-frmtd;187 cs; 11%) 2016: Light garnet color; light floral/PG/bit spicy/rose petal very slight phenolic rather tight/closed nose; quite tart/tangy bit metallic/stony slight resiny fairly rich but austere very slight floral/rose petal/PG slight stony/chalky rather closed/tight flavor w/ slight tannic bite; med.long very light rose petal/floral/PG quite tart/tangy/bit austere light resiny/phenolic finish w/ light tannic bite; a very quiet/closed/tight/shut-down Ramato that I suspect will get a whole lot better w/ 6mo-1 yr; not showing much of anything right now but acid. $30.00
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A wee BloodyPulpit:
1. Wow.....if there ever was an Oakland ("there's no there/there":HerbCaen) wine, this was it. It didn't have that usual phenolic signature that you get from a skin-contact white, just a lightly resiny character. The aromatics were almost non-existent. Yet the wine didn't have that vapid/watery character you get in some wines. So the jury is very much out on this wine. There was no overt TCA that I could tell, but something sure robbed this wine of any character.
I had this happen before w/ a wine of Matt's ('15 Qua Saudade) that was very bizarre when I opened it just after it hit my front porch and, retried several months later, was much more akin to what I expected. So I'll just wait this one out a bit.
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Re: WTN: Forlorn-Hope Dragone Ramato PinotGris '16...(short/

by Bob Parsons Alberta » Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:46 pm

How on earth can one mess up Pinot Gris?
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by TomHill » Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:51 pm

Bob Parsons Alberta wrote:How on earth can one mess up Pinot Gris?


Don't know, Bob. He has made three previous vintages of his skin-contact PG and they
were all quite aromatic & fairly phenolic. I liked them a lot. I think this is an abberation.
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Re: WTN: Forlorn-Hope Dragone Ramato PinotGris '16...(short/

by Patchen Markell » Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:07 pm

...here in the Three-Dot Lounge, we’ve received a note from Strange de Jim observing that “There’s no there there” was Gertrude Stein’s characterization of Oakland, not Mr. San Francisco’s. And don’t call it Frisco!
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Re: WTN: Forlorn-Hope Dragone Ramato PinotGris '16...(short/

by Joe Moryl » Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:26 pm

Bob Parsons Alberta wrote:How on earth can one mess up Pinot Gris?


Pinot Gris is not my favorite grape by a long stretch. My take might be Once again, someone tried to do something to make an interesting PG but failed. Having said that, Channing Daughters on Long Island makes a skin fermented PG, Ramato, that is quite good....
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Yup...

by TomHill » Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:13 am

Joe Moryl wrote:
Bob Parsons Alberta wrote:How on earth can one mess up Pinot Gris?


Pinot Gris is not my favorite grape by a long stretch. My take might be Once again, someone tried to do something to make an interesting PG but failed. Having said that, Channing Daughters on Long Island makes a skin fermented PG, Ramato, that is quite good....


Yup, Joe...I've had the CD Ramato and liked it quite a lot. A bit on the austere/phenolic side (the ones I've had),
but quite good.

I think the best of the PG's come from Alsace, some in the league of Riesling or GWT.
And there's some from Friuli/Slovenia that I also like a lot...and some quite boring.
As for SantaMargarita....bleh!!
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Re: WTN: Forlorn-Hope Dragone Ramato PinotGris '16...(short/

by Bob Parsons Alberta » Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:34 am

Surely you are forgetting PG from the Okanagan Tom.
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by TomHill » Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:59 am

Bob Parsons Alberta wrote:Surely you are forgetting PG from the Okanagan Tom.


Clueless, Bob. Never had one from the Okanagan.
Have heard good reports, though.
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Re: WTN: Forlorn-Hope Dragone Ramato PinotGris '16...(short/

by Brian K Miller » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:09 pm

Donkey and Goat makes a Ramato as well. As with many D&G wines, it can be "challenging", but definitely not insipid/.
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