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WTN: Carignans, Rieslings, and more

by Dale Williams » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:49 pm

With pork tenderloin, the 2016 Coudert/Roilette Griffe du Marquis Fleurie. Man, this is as lovely a young Fleurie as I can ever remember. Floral nose over black cherries and raspberries. Full, balanced, mocha notes with some air. A-

Friday over to Rob’s for local group. Opener was the 2017 Lauverjat Sancerre - clean, easy, correct. B

Rob had meatballs, kale salad, campanelle with pork/clam sausage, mozzarella.
The theme was Carignan (!!!!), and the wines were blind (but don’t think anyone knew enough Carignans to make that neccessary!)

2016 Lioco Carignan - light, spicy, a tad grapey. B

2015 Maitre de Chai Carignan - herby./stemmy, most complex of tasting, raspberries. B+/B

2016 Buio Carignano del Sulcis - Took a lot of guesses to get to Italy (Sardenga). Ripe, a little flabby, clipped. B-

2015 Clos du Gavillas Carignan de 100 ans (Cotes Brion) - darker fruit, blackberry, funky. Never heard of appellation before B/B+

2006 Fontsainte Corbieres - maybe just too old, but I think this was cooked (and when I heard store I was ever surer). Volatile, off-nose, disjointed. C-

2011 Georges Cotes du Roussillon - tired, browning, some ashtray C

2015 Silvestre Villalobos Carignan - fruity, grapey,a bit simple, others liked more than me. B-/C+

2016 La Mariole Vignes Centenaires- blackberry, black plums, a little horsey but nice B/B+

Saturday was Roger’s annual St Nicolaus party. He’s German , so outdoor despite mid-20s. Bratwurst, cheeses, lots of desserts

2017 Kunstler Riesling Trocken- dry, crisp, herby. B/B+

1983 S.A. Prum Wehlener Sonnenuhr Riesling Spatlese - not a producer I search for, but this was lovely. Cork showed some old seepage (store had wrapped top in plastic), but color was good. Peaches, pineapples, and petrol. Nice balance of acid and sweetness, good finish. Maybe not the complexity of a JJP, but alive and kicking. B+/A-

2002 Donnhoff Oberhauser Kabinett
- white peach, citrus zest, this has aged just fine. B+

1988 Buena Vista Private Reserve Cabernet- I got lucky with an ‘83 of this, but this was a dead horse. Dank ashtray, meat, more ashtray C-

1989 Ch. Gloria- black plum, cedar, tobacco, some ash, this is on the far end of plateau and heading down, but still shows some Bordeaux style. B/B-

With bay scallops, basil, and tomatoes over pasta, the 2015 Sainte Barbe (Chaland) "la Perriere" Vire-Clesse. A bit sweet, a honied note, not very bright. B-/C+

Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B a good wine, C drinkable. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice.Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency.
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Re: WTN: Carignans, Rieslings, and more

by Rahsaan » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:22 pm

Dale Williams wrote:With pork tenderloin, the 2016 Coudert/Roilette Griffe du Marquis Fleurie. Man, this is as lovely a young Fleurie as I can ever remember. Floral nose over black cherries and raspberries. Full, balanced, mocha notes with some air. A-


Sounds great. I'm always trying to figure out when to drink my Griffe du Marquis bottles. But I don't have any 2016.

Dale Williams wrote:Saturday was Roger’s annual St Nicolaus party. He’s German , so outdoor despite mid-20s..


Not sure I follow the logic between being German and eating and drinking outdoors in the mid-20s. But sounds kind of brutal. Wine and food and frost?
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Re: WTN: Carignans, Rieslings, and more

by Bob Parsons Alberta » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:24 pm

The Gravillas wines are quite good imo. Cotes-du-Brian is correct.

http://www.vin-vigne.com/appellation/ap ... brian.html
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Re: WTN: Carignans, Rieslings, and more

by Dale Williams » Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:52 pm

Rahsaan wrote:Sounds great. I'm always trying to figure out when to drink my Griffe du Marquis bottles. But I don't have any 2016.


Yeah, me too. I'm sure this could age, but really good young

Not sure I follow the logic between being German and eating and drinking outdoors in the mid-20s. But sounds kind of brutal. Wine and food and frost?


Roger is always adamant that Nikolaus parties are outdoors. What do I know?
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Re: WTN: Carignans, Rieslings, and more

by Rahsaan » Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:07 pm

Dale Williams wrote:Roger is always adamant that Nikolaus parties are outdoors. What do I know?


Well I'm hardly a German holiday specialist, and neither is my wife despite spending her first 28 years in the country. But we've never heard that. Perhaps it's a localized tradition.

Nikolaus parties are generally for kids anyway, so there might be some additional liberties taken here. The St Martin's Lantern parties are outdoors (otherwise how do you appreciate the lantern), but that's earlier in November.

Regardless of the source, sounds like you guys made a heroic effort and drank some pretty nice wines in the process. 2002 Donnhoff must have been interesting. But were there any heat lamps? I'm still trying to envisage the mid-20s relaxation vibe!
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Re: WTN: Carignans, Rieslings, and more

by Mark S » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:07 am

Dale Williams wrote:1983 S.A. Prum Wehlener Sonnenuhr Riesling Spatlese - not a producer I search for, but this was lovely. Cork showed some old seepage (store had wrapped top in plastic), but color was good. Peaches, pineapples, and petrol. Nice balance of acid and sweetness, good finish. Maybe not the complexity of a JJP, but alive and kicking. B+/A-


I've always thought of SA to be the poorer cousin of JJ, but it helps to be in a great neighborhood!
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Re: WTN: Carignans, Rieslings, and more

by ChaimShraga » Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:58 pm

It's almost an appropriate place for a patriotic plug - Carignan is shaping up as a contender for a signature grape in Israel.
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Re: WTN: Carignans, Rieslings, and more

by Dale Williams » Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:20 pm

Rahsaan, will ask Roger next time I see him where exactly in Germany he grew up
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Re: WTN: Carignans, Rieslings, and more

by David M. Bueker » Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:19 pm

Mark S wrote:
Dale Williams wrote:1983 S.A. Prum Wehlener Sonnenuhr Riesling Spatlese - not a producer I search for, but this was lovely. Cork showed some old seepage (store had wrapped top in plastic), but color was good. Peaches, pineapples, and petrol. Nice balance of acid and sweetness, good finish. Maybe not the complexity of a JJP, but alive and kicking. B+/A-


I've always thought of SA to be the poorer cousin of JJ, but it helps to be in a great neighborhood!


S.A. was a top tier (or very close to) producer back then.
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