The place for all things wine, focused on serious wine discussions.

WTN: Rieslings (mostly Auslesen) 1983-1999

Moderators: Jenise, Robin Garr, David M. Bueker

no avatar
User

Dale Williams

Rank

Compassionate Connoisseur

Posts

11135

Joined

Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:32 pm

Location

Dobbs Ferry, NY (NYC metro)

WTN: Rieslings (mostly Auslesen) 1983-1999

by Dale Williams » Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:45 am

Last night John Dawson arranged a great tasting of mature/maturing German wines. Tom Belives hosted, and a nice group gathered. A little wet to be on Tom's pretty terrace, but we had a good time in apartment. Betsy joined me, after putting together some lobster/mango summer rolls. A lot of people had similar ideas re matching, with quite a few seafood and Asian/fusion dishes. My personal favorite was a Thai chicken curry in papadum, but everything was good- a spicy shrimp dish on salad, shrimp with alfalfa sprouts in diakon, king crab stuffed mushrooms, crisp thin latkes with apple-braised pork with an apple shallot sauce, a braised pork with a curryish edge, as well as cheeses and fruit.

1999 Egon Muller Scharzhofberger Spatlese (Auction) -(Saar)
The youngest wine of the night had a rather developed petrol note to it, but was youthful overall, with citrus and apple fruit, a red slate minerality, and good focus. Really pretty, and only the fact it was a tad soft in the acidity kept it from a solid A. B+/A-


1998 J.J. Christoffel Erdener Treppchen Auslese** (Mosel)

I have to say this was oddly mute on the nose. We were using smaller glasses, but I had no problems getting good aromatics from any other wine all evening. But it was perfectly expressive on the palate - spice and pears, good length, balanced acidity. But still not much of anything on the nose. B

1998 J.J. Christoffel Urziger Wurzgarten Auslese*** (Mosel)
Sweet, but there's a good acidic backbone. Cherries and peaches, a little honied apricot, very long. B+/A-

1997 J.J. Prum Wehlener Sonnenuhr Auslese- (Mosel)
This was to be the 1998, but the '98 was horribly corked. Lucky for us John brought the '97 as backup. Youthful, a hint of petrol, some green apple over mineral base. A little shorter and softer than most of the wines. Not my favorite of the night, but way better than my general (uninformed) impression of '97 MSR. B

1983 Von Hovel Oberemmeler Hutte Auslese (Saar)
I asked John if Oberemmeler Hutte was a monopole,. as I don't think I've ever seen another producer, but he thought not. Anyway, this was actually quite lovely, with a honied texture to the citrus fruit. Clear, clean, with a nice long finish. A-

1983 Zilliken Saarburger Rausch Gold Kap Auslese (Saar)
Holy Cow! This is unbelievably young for a 24 yr old Riesling. Bright citrus (lime and grapefruit) with just a hint of sweet strawberry, faintest hint of petrol, a deep deep streak of mineral through the core, lively, lively, lively. It evolves in the glass, with a saline/seashell note and a hint of herb emerging. John points out it needs another 10 years, he's probably right, but damn it tastes good now. As good a Riesling as I have ever had, period. A

1983 Dr. Pauly Bergweiler Bernkastler Badstube Auslese (Mosel)
There was a rather enjoyable bitter note to the citrus fruit, along with an apricot note that hints of botrytis, good balance. There is just a hint of oxidation, I'd drink this one up (happily). B/B+

1983 Christoffel-Berres Erdener Pralat Gold Kap Auslese (Auction) (Mosel)
This seemed to be a favorite for many people,but for me it was the one bottle that tasted just a bit past it. The oxidative notes were stronger than the Bernkastler Badstube, this was all about petrol, but I thought the finish clipped. Maybe a storage issue. Certainly enjoyable, but if this is a pristine bottle it would have been better for my tastes for say celebrating Y2K. B/B-

1983 Hubert Schmitz Wiltinger Braunfels Eiswein (Saar)I must say this was the bottle I was least looking forward to. A producer I don't know, a vineyard I've never heard of, and my prejudice has always been it's a bit of a waste aging Eiswein. Well, I'm an idiot. Sharp clean racy acids balance the vivid sweetness, there's a candied orange peel note dominating, but with a whole fruit basket underneath. I have mostly found aged Eisweins to be one-trick ponies, but this one had many tricks under the saddle. Very nice. A-/B+
 
After the wines were all served, John put out the remainders for all to resample their favorites. I went back to the von Hovel and the Zilliken (well, truth be told, I went back to the Zilliken twice, what a wine). A fun and educational night of wines, with nice people.

Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency
no avatar
User

Dale Williams

Rank

Compassionate Connoisseur

Posts

11135

Joined

Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:32 pm

Location

Dobbs Ferry, NY (NYC metro)

Re: WTN: Rieslings (mostly Auslesen) 1983-1999

by Dale Williams » Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:48 pm

OK, on another forum someone has pointed out info that the Oberemmeler Hütte IS a monopole. Cellartracker seems to list some 2003 OH from Vollenweider, but as no one lists owning them that might be a mistake. John just said last night he didn't think so, as he remembered some ornate bottles from the '70s, and von Hovel has a fairly plain label.
no avatar
User

David M. Bueker

Rank

Riesling Guru

Posts

34335

Joined

Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am

Location

Connecticut

Re: WTN: Rieslings (mostly Auslesen) 1983-1999

by David M. Bueker » Mon Jul 30, 2007 2:01 pm

Dale Williams wrote:OK, on another forum someone has pointed out info that the Oberemmeler Hütte IS a monopole. Cellartracker seems to list some 2003 OH from Vollenweider, but as no one lists owning them that might be a mistake. John just said last night he didn't think so, as he remembered some ornate bottles from the '70s, and von Hovel has a fairly plain label.


Vollenweider does not make an Oberemmeler Hütte. Of that I am sure.
Decisions are made by those who show up
no avatar
User

Dale Williams

Rank

Compassionate Connoisseur

Posts

11135

Joined

Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:32 pm

Location

Dobbs Ferry, NY (NYC metro)

Re: WTN: Rieslings (mostly Auslesen) 1983-1999

by Dale Williams » Mon Jul 30, 2007 2:53 pm

David M. Bueker wrote:Vollenweider does not make an Oberemmeler Hütte. Of that I am sure.


I put a note on the CT forum alerting Eric of the error. Thanks

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: AhrefsBot, ClaudeBot, SemrushBot, TomHill and 1 guest

Powered by phpBB ® | phpBB3 Style by KomiDesign