The place for all things wine, focused on serious wine discussions.

WTN: Leoville Las Cases, Di Stefano, Petit Chambord

Moderators: Jenise, Robin Garr, David M. Bueker

no avatar
User

Jenise

Rank

FLDG Dishwasher

Posts

42549

Joined

Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:45 pm

Location

The Pacific Northest Westest

WTN: Leoville Las Cases, Di Stefano, Petit Chambord

by Jenise » Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:22 pm

Some weekend wines:

1979 Leoville Las Cases, St. Julien, Bordeaux
Good but not great. Lighter than expected in both color and flavor. Color in the medium red range, with correct but lighter flavors. Good acidity, and it didn't appear to be off in any way, but it's by far the least interesting 79 I've had. Lesser-regarded wines like D'Armailhac and Prieure-Lichine were better.

1993 Di Stefano Cabernet Sauvignon, Columbia Valley, Washington
Curious about how wines from my new home state are aging, I've been picking up older bottles at auction. This is one. Leathery secondary development and reasonably strong plummy fruit made this wine a nice sipper, but it lacked the complexity one hopes for when one waits 13 years to pop the cork. It basically had two flavors: 'cabernet' and 'older'.

2004 Le Petit Chambord "Vendange a la main", Cheverny, Loire Valley, France
Joe Dressner hits it out of the park with this--the best Cheverny I've had. Pale yellow. Beautiful fruit of white flowers, apples, starfruit and a kiss of lemon curd. Good acidity and good everything--really, perfect in every way. Lighter in style and yet it lacks for nothing, it's the kind of white wine I live to find. Unfortunately, I bought the last bottle.
My wine shopping and I have never had a problem. Just a perpetual race between the bankruptcy court and Hell.--Rogov
no avatar
User

Marc D

Rank

Wine guru

Posts

568

Joined

Wed Mar 29, 2006 6:44 pm

Location

Bellingham WA

Re: WTN: Leoville Las Cases, Di Stefano, Petit Chambord

by Marc D » Tue Jun 13, 2006 1:03 am

2004 Le Petit Chambord "Vendange a la main", Cheverny, Loire Valley, France
Joe Dressner hits it out of the park with this--the best Cheverny I've had. Pale yellow. Beautiful fruit of white flowers, apples, starfruit and a kiss of lemon curd. Good acidity and good everything--really, perfect in every way. Lighter in style and yet it lacks for nothing, it's the kind of white wine I live to find. Unfortunately, I bought the last bottle.


Jenise, was this the Cour Cheverny by Cazin? The Cour Cheverny is Romorantin, the regular Cheverny I think is a blend of mostly Sauvignon blanc and a little Chardonnay. They both are ridiculously good and inexpensive too.

BTW, the 05 Chinook rose is in at Purple Smile. I opened one Saturday and it was a little disjointed around the edges, I think from travel shock or something.
Marc Davis
no avatar
User

Dale Williams

Rank

Compassionate Connoisseur

Posts

11125

Joined

Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:32 pm

Location

Dobbs Ferry, NY (NYC metro)

Re: WTN: Leoville Las Cases, Di Stefano, Petit Chambord

by Dale Williams » Tue Jun 13, 2006 7:56 am

Marc,
Pretty sure le Petit Chambord is Cazin's regular Cheverny. I found it ok, but there are straight SBs (like both CRB Touraine Sauvignons) I like better. I much prefer his Romorantin-based wines.

Thanks for notes, Jenise. I like '79 as a vintage, but also was less than blown away by the LLC. I suspected the bottle at the time, but maybe just not their year.
no avatar
User

Mark S

Rank

Wine guru

Posts

1174

Joined

Thu Mar 23, 2006 4:28 pm

Location

CNY

Re: WTN: Leoville Las Cases, Di Stefano, Petit Chambord

by Mark S » Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:41 am

Jenise wrote:1993 Di Stefano Cabernet Sauvignon, Columbia Valley, Washington
Curious about how wines from my new home state are aging, I've been picking up older bottles at auction. This is one. Leathery secondary development and reasonably strong plummy fruit made this wine a nice sipper, but it lacked the complexity one hopes for when one waits 13 years to pop the cork. It basically had two flavors: 'cabernet' and 'older'.



Interesting. I've been feeling this way about cabernets from California AND Bordeaux, lately. Yep. Classic cabernet nose and structure, but Where is the development?? Tertiary flavors?? I ought to be rewarded something for having the patience and fortitude to cellar a bottle this many years.
no avatar
User

Steve Guattery

Rank

Ultra geek

Posts

162

Joined

Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:36 am

Location

Central Pennsylvania

Re: WTN: Leoville Las Cases, Di Stefano, Petit Chambord

by Steve Guattery » Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:19 pm

Dale Williams wrote:Pretty sure le Petit Chambord is Cazin's regular Cheverny...

Cazin uses that name on the Cour-Cheverny; I've not had his Cheverny, so I can't say one way or the other about that.
no avatar
User

Jenise

Rank

FLDG Dishwasher

Posts

42549

Joined

Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:45 pm

Location

The Pacific Northest Westest

Re: WTN: Leoville Las Cases, Di Stefano, Petit Chambord

by Jenise » Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:51 pm

Dale Williams wrote:Marc,
Pretty sure le Petit Chambord is Cazin's regular Cheverny. I found it ok, but there are straight SBs (like both CRB Touraine Sauvignons) I like better. I much prefer his Romorantin-based wines.

Thanks for notes, Jenise. I like '79 as a vintage, but also was less than blown away by the LLC. I suspected the bottle at the time, but maybe just not their year.


Dale and Mark--this was a Cazin? Obviously, I somehow missed the name and presume Petit Chambord was the producer. Oh well.

Dale--oh fudge about the LLC. I have another bottle, so I would much rather have heard, "Oh Jenise, you are so wrong about that wine! My bottle was FABULOUS!" At least I'd have had hope. :)
My wine shopping and I have never had a problem. Just a perpetual race between the bankruptcy court and Hell.--Rogov
no avatar
User

Mark Lipton

Rank

Oenochemist

Posts

4285

Joined

Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:18 pm

Location

Indiana

Re: WTN: Leoville Las Cases, Di Stefano, Petit Chambord

by Mark Lipton » Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:57 pm

Mark S wrote: Interesting. I've been feeling this way about cabernets from California AND Bordeaux, lately. Yep. Classic cabernet nose and structure, but Where is the development?? Tertiary flavors?? I ought to be rewarded something for having the patience and fortitude to cellar a bottle this many years.


You obviously must not be opening the right bottles of Bordeaux, old thing. Stay away from anything later than '89 or younger than 25 years. Be sure to properly aerate et voilá... A wine with tertiary notes, bouquet, the whole 9 metres. Of course, you've gotta have good wine from a good producer, but when don't you?

The Other Mark

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google Adsense [Bot] and 2 guests

Powered by phpBB ® | phpBB3 Style by KomiDesign