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Paul Winalski
Wok Wielder
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:16 pm
Merrimack, New Hampshire
Ian Sutton
Spanna in the works
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Sun Apr 09, 2006 2:10 pm
Norwich, UK
Carl Eppig
Our Maine man
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Tue Jun 13, 2006 1:38 pm
Middleton, NH, USA
Brian Gilp wrote:I picked up a Wine & Spirits this week and flipping through the reviews noted that only those that rate 90 (or above or those that reflect great value) are printed.
Florida Jim
Wine guru
1253
Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:27 pm
St. Pete., FL & Sonoma, CA
Brian Gilp wrote:So I guess only 90 point wines are worth drinking. Unless they are really cheap. At least that's the message I am getting.
Ian Sutton
Spanna in the works
2558
Sun Apr 09, 2006 2:10 pm
Norwich, UK
Ryan Maderak wrote:I think a score is useful if you understand what it means (which most point chasers don't). But if you make the cut at 90, you really do miss out on a lot of really nice wines, at the top end of the 'everyday drinkers.
Ian Sutton
Spanna in the works
2558
Sun Apr 09, 2006 2:10 pm
Norwich, UK
Ian Sutton wrote:For me, I've always been more comfortable seeing a 0-5 point (or star) scale. It's imprecision sends a better signal out and if anything, it's proponents weight it more the other way - plenty more 1stars than 2stars and so on.
David M. Bueker
Riesling Guru
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
JC (NC)
Lifelong Learner
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Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:23 pm
Fayetteville, NC
Ian Sutton
Spanna in the works
2558
Sun Apr 09, 2006 2:10 pm
Norwich, UK
David M. Bueker wrote:And please do not tar all wine reviewers with the same "only in a style he likes" brush. Try actually reading David Schildknecht's reviews in the Wine Advocate & you'll see that he is fairly even handed, regardless of style.
David M. Bueker wrote:And the "50 points for showing up" argument is a red herring. So subtract 50 from all the scores.
David M. Bueker
Riesling Guru
34367
Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
Ian Sutton wrote: However Mr or Mrs. wine newbie won't know that. They see a shelf talker saying 91points out of a 100 and think "Wow that's special" - maybe even that it's in the top 10% of fine wines.
JC (NC) wrote: When we were doing Chardonnay wines on Wine Focus I did have a Gueguens Chablis that I thought was outstanding and would have rated in the 90's. But that is the exception for me. I'm usually looking for a food-friendly wine that goes nicely with dinner--not a blockbuster, knock-my-socks off wine that is an experience in itself.
Florida Jim
Wine guru
1253
Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:27 pm
St. Pete., FL & Sonoma, CA
Tim York wrote:JC (NC) wrote: When we were doing Chardonnay wines on Wine Focus I did have a Gueguens Chablis that I thought was outstanding and would have rated in the 90's. But that is the exception for me. I'm usually looking for a food-friendly wine that goes nicely with dinner--not a blockbuster, knock-my-socks off wine that is an experience in itself.
This nicely illustrates my quarrel with the 100 point scale as generally practiced. Why do we have to reserve 90+ points for "a blockbuster, knock-my-socks off wine that is an experience in itself"? For me "a food-friendly wine that goes nicely with dinner" is often far more worthy of a high accolade than these pretentious blockbusters.
Ian Sutton
Spanna in the works
2558
Sun Apr 09, 2006 2:10 pm
Norwich, UK
David M. Bueker wrote:Ian Sutton wrote: However Mr or Mrs. wine newbie won't know that. They see a shelf talker saying 91points out of a 100 and think "Wow that's special" - maybe even that it's in the top 10% of fine wines.
If we look at the entire universe of wine it probably is in the top 10%.
Oliver McCrum
Wine guru
1075
Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:08 am
Oakland, CA; Cigliè, Piedmont
David M. Bueker
Riesling Guru
34367
Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
Ian Sutton wrote:
but coming back to the question - would you argue that they'd be just as impressed to buy a 16/25 wine or a 91/100?
Oddly, the person who could break the shackles of the scale weighting is Parker himself.If he changed, he has the following and commercial support to carry it off. It would be the act perhaps of a consumer champion/advocate.
Sam Platt
I am Sam, Sam I am
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Sat Mar 25, 2006 12:22 pm
Indiana, USA
David M. Bueker wrote:It's interesting that nobody ever gets up in arms about a high scoring Chablis. I wonder why not. Dauvissat, Raveneau & Fevre all received very high scores from David Schildknecht in the latest Wine Advocate. I suppose those are examples of blockbuster wines that do not go with food and are better suited for people weaned on soda pop.![]()
Florida Jim
Wine guru
1253
Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:27 pm
St. Pete., FL & Sonoma, CA
David M. Bueker wrote:It's interesting that nobody ever gets up in arms about a high scoring Chablis. I wonder why not. Dauvissat, Raveneau & Fevre all received very high scores from David Schildknecht in the latest Wine Advocate. I suppose those are examples of blockbuster wines that do not go with food and are better suited for people weaned on soda pop.
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