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David M. Bueker wrote: There will never be a comprehensive study of every single mid to long-term aging wine covering 30 vintages side-by-side to see the effects of screw cap versus cork, and until that day (that never comes) the skeptics will never be convinced.
David M. Bueker wrote:
So here we are back in the same position we were in before the thread ever started.
Hoke wrote:As I love to point out, even the self-appointed curmudgeon of cork, Rogov himself, has moved noticeably from his orginal "NEVER!!!" to "Well, sometime" in his stance. If such an Easter Island statue of corkish propinquity can embrace...well, er, maybe I should say admit...change on the topic, there's hope for mankind.
David M. Bueker wrote:Sorry about that. I've heard the story more than once & got impatient with it.
At work I am in change of advancing change at a very rapid clip. It makes me very intolerant of what I see as slow, deliberate, overly cautious action/inaction.
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Daniel Rogov wrote:With regard to Easter Island, worth keeping in mind that only two of the monoliths were originally located within the sight of the sea, most being dispersed well inland on the island. Only after World War II when the islanders realized that having the monoliths more easily available and in sight of the beach would attract more tourists, were those monoliths moved by the bulldozers and cranes of the US Marine Corps and Navy Seabees then stationed on the island. Profit was ensured. Romance lost.
Tim York wrote:Impatience and the desire for rapid results often lead to a mind-set which ignores facts and reasoned argument. History is littered with disasters as a result of this.
No doubt, you guard against this in your professional life, David.
David M. Bueker wrote:History is also littered with businesses that did not react to changing market conditions quickly enough.
David M. Bueker wrote:Tim York wrote:Impatience and the desire for rapid results often lead to a mind-set which ignores facts and reasoned argument. History is littered with disasters as a result of this.
No doubt, you guard against this in your professional life, David.
History is also littered with businesses that did not react to changing market conditions quickly enough.
Robin Garr wrote:David M. Bueker wrote:History is also littered with businesses that did not react to changing market conditions quickly enough.
Staying on topic, though, and not (really) trying to stir the pot, discuss the synthetic cork, which prompted quite a few producers to make a bold and speedy switch, but then discover they had made a costly move when they proved less than ideal for longer-lived wines.
Robin Garr wrote:David M. Bueker wrote:History is also littered with businesses that did not react to changing market conditions quickly enough.
Staying on topic, though, and not (really) trying to stir the pot, discuss the synthetic cork, which prompted quite a few producers to make a bold and speedy switch, but then discover they had made a costly move when they proved less than ideal for longer-lived wines.
Victorwine wrote:Hoke wrote:
Ah, but Victor, I can easily counter your statement with one word: Bush.
I wish we could keep politics (and religion (non wine related issues) for that matter) in the “basement”. The “changing of the guard” is going to take place shortly; I have no doubt that the terrorists who hate us dearly are going to “test” this incoming administration. I just pray to God he does the right thing. As far as weapons of mass destruction, I don’t know why people assume it has to be nuclear power related, in today’s day and age it could be a small ampoule or vial. No matter if you agree or disagree with the out going administration’s actions in dealing with terrorists, I think there is one thing we can agree on, and that is because of this administration’s actions, that unforgettable day of 9-11-2001 was not repeated during their “watch”.
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Why do you say this Hoke? Man is going to stop being man? For centuries man has been asking- How? Why? And When? We might not get to the “truth” but at least we will have a better understanding.
Victorwine wrote:I think there is one thing we can agree on, and that is because of this administration’s actions, that unforgettable day of 9-11-2001 was not repeated during their “watch”.
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Dale Williams wrote:Daniel Rogov wrote:With regard to Easter Island, worth keeping in mind that only two of the monoliths were originally located within the sight of the sea, most being dispersed well inland on the island. Only after World War II when the islanders realized that having the monoliths more easily available and in sight of the beach would attract more tourists, were those monoliths moved by the bulldozers and cranes of the US Marine Corps and Navy Seabees then stationed on the island. Profit was ensured. Romance lost.
Um, can you cite a source?
Tim York wrote:David M. Bueker wrote: There will never be a comprehensive study of every single mid to long-term aging wine covering 30 vintages side-by-side to see the effects of screw cap versus cork, and until that day (that never comes) the skeptics will never be convinced.
That is a "reductio ad absurdum", David.
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Daniel Rogov wrote:Um, can you cite a source?
Three sources, one verbal from General Randolph McCall Pate, Commandant of the US Marine Corps, circa 1958, one from General Holland M. Smith (known affectionately as Howlin' Mad Smith) and after that checking Marine Corps historical files. That, alas, a good many years ago and no direct primarily references I can give at this stage.
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