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1986 Barons Edmond Benjamin Rothschild Haut Medoc ?

by Yehoshua Werth » Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:06 pm

Any TN's and or if a case was at perfect temp 55 until now what might be the value?
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Re: 1986 Baron Rothchild Haut Medoc ?

by Yossie Horwitz » Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:19 pm

Dead. Only value would be sentimental or "collectors" if anyone was interested...
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Re: 1986 Baron Rothchild Haut Medoc ?

by Yehoshua Werth » Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:30 pm

When last tasted and yes first year of Rothchild Kosher
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Re: 1986 Baron Rothchild Haut Medoc ?

by Gabriel Geller » Wed Mar 21, 2012 9:03 pm

I just had the 2007 of this wine tonight.

Baron Rothchild Haut Medoc 2007: Medium-bodied with red fruit, tar, some green notes (dirt and freshly humid forest earth), licorice and tobacco in good balance with reasonable acidity and soft tannins rising on a moderately long finish. I guess it will cellar well for a few more years (2016) if properly stored but I don't expect it will undergo noticeable improvement.

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Re: 1986 Baron Rothchild Haut Medoc ?

by Adam M » Wed Mar 21, 2012 9:56 pm

I could see a non mevushal version of this wine lasting 9 yrs. but the mevushal version, which is post-2004, is much more difficult to see.
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Re: 1986 Baron Rothchild Haut Medoc ?

by Yossie Horwitz » Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:01 pm

I tasted the 1986 vintage about 6 years ago and it was dead then (no guarantee about the provenance of that wine but I'd be shocked if any bottle of this wine from 1986 had anything left on it today).
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Re: 1986 Baron Rothchild Haut Medoc ?

by Yehoshua Werth » Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:17 pm

The Regular version has 5 reviews as of recent that all show well but one corked bottle..
Bizarre''

Maybe it was a bad bottle ;
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Re: 1986 Baron Rothchild Haut Medoc ?

by Adam M » Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:22 pm

Hi Yehoshua - May i ask what's the "regular" version and what "reviews" are you talking about?
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Re: 1986 Baron Rothchild Haut Medoc ?

by Yehoshua Werth » Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:31 pm

Cellar tracker is where the reviews are the the Regular version is
Haut Medoc 1986, produced at the famed Chateau Clarke
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Re: 1986 Baron Rothchild Haut Medoc ?

by Adam M » Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:39 pm

I don't see any 1986 vintage on cellartracker and only see one TN before 1998
You are referring to the kosher version, aren't you?
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Re: 1986 Baron Rothchild Haut Medoc ?

by Andrew B » Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:49 am

The wine is dead, and the person who is trying to sell it to you thinks he will retire on it. Bad combination.
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Re: 1986 Baron Rothchild Haut Medoc ?

by Gabriel Geller » Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:29 am

Adam M wrote:I could see a non mevushal version of this wine lasting 9 yrs. but the mevushal version, which is post-2004, is much more difficult to see.


It is indeed mevushal but as the wine is not showing any signs of that 5 years past the vintage, I believe the method used was same as Herzog Reserve thus I've good hope for this wine. I just had with a friend the Herzog Reserve Syrah 2003 2 days ago and it was crazy good, still very much alive and kicking! 8)
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Re: 1986 Baron Rothchild Haut Medoc ?

by Yehoshua Werth » Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:10 pm

http://www.cellartracker.com/new/wine.asp?iWine=42550

this is the link to Cellar Tracker and the Non-Kosher or Regular Version of the same wine... Nu?
Maybe if someone had one in the last two years...

I had a bottle of Herzog Bordeaux Delagrave from 1994 Middle of last year and it was not viniger or Dead and that is a basic wine... Stored Perfect as well.

Any outside thoughts on this... Seems like a Very good Bordeaux should last at least 20 Years. Yet my basic one lasted almost 20.. Mind you it was not perfect yet had fruit, nice Chocolate and not corked at all
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Re: 1986 Baron Rothchild Haut Medoc ?

by Yehoshua Werth » Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:04 pm

Another thought...

1986 was a Superb vintage in bordeaux.. not just another bottling here ...

Other wines from the same year.. Found 3 drinking very well so far.. will keep researching
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Re: 1986 Baron Rothchild Haut Medoc ?

by Adam M » Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:30 pm

non-kosher, no problem. kosher, big problem. I'm pretty sure the two are not made in the same facility according to the same method.
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Re: 1986 Baron Rothchild Haut Medoc ?

by Elie Poltorak » Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:18 am

I last tried this wine approximately 10 years ago (perfectly cellared at Levana's restaurant) and it was already well on its way to wine heaven. It was a damn good wine back in its day (as was the '89; from '94 on they went mevushal and the wine turned to absolute crap). I have fond childhood memories of my father buying this wine for yom tov and special occasions. It sold for close to $30 which was a fortune for a bottle of wine back then. On the other hand, the choices for good kosher wine back then were either the Rothschild or Yarden/Gamla--at least until some fabulous French wines came out from the '89 vintage (Grand Noyer, Giscours Margaux, etc.) and Gan Eden came on the scene.

When I was in Yeshiva in Israel in the late 90s, I scored a few cases of the '89 Rothschild for a really good price and they drank wonderfully through 2000 or so--helped get me through those yeshiva years :D
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Re: 1986 Baron Rothchild Haut Medoc ?

by Shlomo R » Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:50 am

I've bought various vintages of the B.R. Haut Medoc over the past 17 years, and none ever gave me the impression that they might last 26 years.
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Re: 1986 Baron Rothchild Haut Medoc ?

by Craig Winchell » Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:01 am

I'm just wondering about this kosher vs. nonkosher that Adam M was saying. Everything under the Barons Eddie and Benny label was kosher, because it was contrived in the first place- that is, there's no estate, it's no chateau, it's just a wine put together for marketing purposes by M & G, which was partially owned by Rothschild, as far as I know. And the only place that would have any validity is the kosher market, since the nonkosher was at that time well educated in Bordeaux (as opposed to the 1960s and early 1970s, when wines like Mouton Cadet came out to make volume plays.
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Re: 1986 Baron Rothchild Haut Medoc ?

by Adam M » Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:45 pm

Hi Craig - Hope you've sobered up. Was the wine produced under the Chateau Clark label only kosher in 1986?
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Re: 1986 Baron Rothchild Haut Medoc ?

by Craig Winchell » Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:13 pm

As far as I know, Chateau Clarke is different than Barons Eddie and Benny, and they share nothing, except perhaps a production facility. The Chateau Clarke is a Listrac.
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Re: 1986 Baron Rothchild Haut Medoc ?

by Adam M » Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:12 pm

So then I think that Yehoshua's 1986 TN is for a non-Kosher wine. I may be just catching up with everyone else on this, so sorry for being slow.
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Re: 1986 Baron Rothchild Haut Medoc ?

by Craig Winchell » Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:13 pm

And the kosher Chateau Clarke rose' is not Chateau Clarke, either. True Chateau Clarke is not kosher, to my understanding, and is definitely a red wine, Listrac, as I say.
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Re: 1986 Baron Rothchild Haut Medoc ?

by Yehoshua Werth » Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:28 pm

Yes Craig.. All work done at Chateau Clark ..Grapes sourced from Haut Medoc as listed on the Label. Confirmed NON-Mevushal. Being a great vintage, great wine maker, solid grapes and the need on a first run to impress; how could none of this hold on.. I had a Delagrave Herzog from 1994' last year that actually drank ok;) so for none of these MUCH better of everything too not hold on seems well strange?

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1986 Baron Rothchild Haut Medoc tasting tonight

by Yehoshua Werth » Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:37 pm

Well.... After a long time waiting I am about to open

1986 Baron Edmonds Rothchild Haut-Medoc
NON-Mevushal made at Chateau Clark and grapes sourced from Haut-Medoc...

Will tell everyone tomarro after Kosher-Fest how it is drinking was stored well and here goes.........
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