Florida Jim
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:27 pm
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David M. Bueker
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Florida Jim wrote:2002 Clos de la Roilette, Fleurie Cuvée Tardive:
Somewhat closed on the nose and no immediate indicators of gamay; rich and deep in the mouth, black fruit more than red, Baker’s chocolate, brown spices and little that evokes Fleurie; good sustain. Lacks typicity but still a remarkable, arresting wine and delicious in its own way.
David M. Bueker wrote:Florida Jim wrote:2002 Clos de la Roilette, Fleurie Cuvée Tardive:
Somewhat closed on the nose and no immediate indicators of gamay; rich and deep in the mouth, black fruit more than red, Baker’s chocolate, brown spices and little that evokes Fleurie; good sustain. Lacks typicity but still a remarkable, arresting wine and delicious in its own way.
I am left wondering what is typical of late harvested Gamay. Perhaps just this.
David M. Bueker
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
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David M. Bueker wrote:Hmm...meaningless label speak? Well that's even more annoying than anything the "BN crowd" might or might not do.
David M. Bueker
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
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Florida Jim
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:27 pm
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David M. Bueker wrote:Long business trip, so I am in one of my more cranky moods, but Jim's note just struck me as having another dig at a wine that shows no sin other than ripe fruit. A fascinating but flawed sort of judgement given to the wine, and one that sticks in my craw a bit in that it imlpies that Gamay and/or Fleurie has to show in a specific way to be legitimate.
Florida Jim wrote:David M. Bueker wrote:Long business trip, so I am in one of my more cranky moods, but Jim's note just struck me as having another dig at a wine that shows no sin other than ripe fruit. A fascinating but flawed sort of judgement given to the wine, and one that sticks in my craw a bit in that it imlpies that Gamay and/or Fleurie has to show in a specific way to be legitimate.
I do hope that I did not come across that way - certainly not intended.
As to this specific wine, I enjoyed it. I did not think it showed typicity.
I enjoy many wines that do not show typicity; even some of my own.
But there are folks who find typicity to be a factor in whether or not they like a wine and so I described what I experienced so that they could judge accordingly.
I do not think lack of typicity is a flaw but I do think it is at least note worthy.
Best, Jim
David M. Bueker
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
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Thomas G wrote:Not sure that the typicity of a nearly ten year old Beaujolais Cru can be established.
Ben Rotter
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Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:59 pm
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David M. Bueker wrote:Jim's note just struck me as having another dig at a wine that shows no sin other than ripe fruit. A fascinating but flawed sort of judgement given to the wine
David M. Bueker wrote:sticks in my craw a bit in that it imlpies that... Fleurie has to show in a specific way to be legitimate.
David M. Bueker
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
David M. Bueker wrote:I guess I am looking for more specific information on what the wine had or didn't have that made it un-Fleurie. Was it more like a Morgon? If so, in what way?
In the end I bet (though I am by no means sure) that we are eventually headed back towards the concept that riper vintages are in some way not typical or legitimate, despite the fact that they have always happened throughout history, just more often now than in the (supposedly better) old days.
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Florida Jim
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:27 pm
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David M. Bueker wrote:To expect full consistency across the AOC is a false grail.
David M. Bueker wrote:That's just rationalizing for a single expression of Fleurie IMO. The line gets drawn somewhere. To expect full consistency across the AOC is a false grail.
Dale Williams
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:32 pm
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David M. Bueker
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Florida Jim
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:27 pm
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Florida Jim wrote:David,
I appreciate the second chance.
Best, Jim
Florida Jim
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:27 pm
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Lou Kessler wrote:Florida Jim wrote:David,
I appreciate the second chance.
Best, Jim
What constitutes a third chance? You walking the plank with a copy of The Wine Speculator in hand.
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