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What is the most misunderstood wine?

by Jeff B » Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:44 pm

I'm thinking it might just be roses/rose champagne. Many believe the finest examples are sweet wines.

Any others that are on the ballot?

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Re: What is the most misunderstood wine?

by Anders Källberg » Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:07 pm

How about Sherry?
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Re: What is the most misunderstood wine?

by Ian Sutton » Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:34 pm

Sherry definitely
Champagne - yes I can see that
Lambrusco (the real stuff with a cork in it)
in the wider non-geeky world I'd add German white wine (i.e. confusing fine rieslings with sugar water aka Muller-Thurgau)
Merlot-based wines fast going the same way (thanks Sideways!)

In the latter 3 cases it's very much down to plonk being released that confuses the punters, steering them away from the better wines of the genre. For Champagne that can also be true, but also a recognition that all some champagnes need is some cellar time to gain complexity. Sherry also suffers from cheap sweetened dull sherry (e.g. modern-day Harvey's Bristol Cream), but good sherry can be had for very little money - a good fino is peanuts (and might even be a decent match for them :oops: ). Finally good Lambrusco on it's own is a bit harsh/simple, but match it with cured meats and other suitable antipasti, and it all becomes clear. It's one of the great examples that can show why wine/food matching is important.

Finally another one to ponder - Italian white wines. Fairly tarred with the 'neutral food wines' brush for many years, there really is some great white wine coming out now, but is that widely known?
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Re: What is the most misunderstood wine?

by Dan Smothergill » Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:43 pm

Not a single varietal but a species. Labrusca. That all such must be made sweet.
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Re: What is the most misunderstood wine?

by Jeff B » Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:05 pm

I can think of quite a few ones in regards to champagne (only because I'm closest to that wine)...

Rose Champagnes are sweet (This was the origin behind posting this topic)

Champagne in general is sweet (although it can be of course).

Champagne is really just a "social-gathering drink" but not a drink for food of any kind.

Champagne is "meant" to be frothy and consumed young (this is of course just personal preference but I will always take the nutty/caramel tones that aging imparts).

In fairness, there is also the misunderstood flip side - all aged champagne is good and is not as enjoyable if you drink it young.

Champagne is just a "white wine with bubbles" made from white grapes.

Champagne must be drunk out of a flute (I break this rule all the time using a Chardonnay glass)... :)

Dom Perignon is the be all end all of champagne (I actually DO love Dom Perignon and it's one of my favorite champagnes. But there is surely a wealth of other great champagnes that can take your breath away at a fraction of the cost).

Only big champagne houses can make great champagne (I'm guilty myself of tasting mostly house champagnes, but I do realize that the greatness of the wine isn't exclusive to the houses).

And probably some more I'm forgetting....

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Re: What is the most misunderstood wine?

by Ian Sutton » Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:13 pm

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Perhaps the big one missing from your list would be:
- Champagne is an aperitif and not for drinking with food (outside of a few famous combos)
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Re: What is the most misunderstood wine?

by Jeff B » Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:25 pm

Ian Sutton wrote:Jeff
Perhaps the big one missing from your list would be:
- Champagne is an aperitif and not for drinking with food (outside of a few famous combos)


Hi Ian,

I did list that one (the third one on the list).

Indeed, that's a big one. That and the misconception that champagne is really just a drink for celebration (of course, it is a wonderful drink for that purpose). :)

I must admit I'm a bit guilty of not utilizing champagne with food. I tend to drink it on its own, though I will often snack on peanuts or something with a salty profile.

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Re: What is the most misunderstood wine?

by Ian Sutton » Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:37 pm

Oops - speed reading catches me out again :oops:
My apologies :)
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Re: What is the most misunderstood wine?

by Carl Eppig » Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:02 pm

Wines made east of the Rockies; particularly the Finger Lakes.
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Re: What is the most misunderstood wine?

by Robin Garr » Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:15 pm

Lot of possibilities here, but I think when we shoot for breadth and depth of misunderstanding, Sherry has to rank near the top.
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Re: What is the most misunderstood wine?

by Sam Platt » Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:39 am

Jammy Aussie Shiraz, at least within the geek community. Though it makes me uncool, I have to confess that I enjoy them at times.
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Re: What is the most misunderstood wine?

by Tom Troiano » Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:41 am

Not sure if this is fair or what you're interested in but lots of geeks that I know (including me) tend to avoid Beaujolais and I suspect part of this is bias and part is misunderstanding.
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Re: What is the most misunderstood wine?

by Bill Hooper » Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:21 pm

Riesling and Chenin Blanc. Is it sweet, dry, rich, austere? Most people have a lot of trouble with those two.

Sherry (with just as many styles) probably is misunderstood for mostly the same reasons.

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Re: What is the most misunderstood wine?

by Rahsaan » Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:08 pm

Bill Hooper wrote:Riesling and Chenin Blanc. Is it sweet, dry, rich, austere? Most people have a lot of trouble with those two.


Are they really misunderstanding the wine or just not knowing what to expect when they see a bottle?
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Re: What is the most misunderstood wine?

by Rahsaan » Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:09 pm

But along those lines, I will say that off-dry wine in general is misunderstood by the casual wine drinker who exclaims 'this is dessert wine!' merely because they detect the slightest bit of residual sugar.
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Re: What is the most misunderstood wine?

by Ryan M » Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:30 pm

Tom Troiano wrote:Not sure if this is fair or what you're interested in but lots of geeks that I know (including me) tend to avoid Beaujolais and I suspect part of this is bias and part is misunderstanding.


I think I have to agree with Tom that Beaujolais may be the most misunderstood. In the case of Sherry, I would say that it is a case of confusion more than misunderstanding because of the diversity of styles. With Beaujolais however, there isn't even confusion becuase the vast majority of wine drinkers are not aware that the Crus even exist. So I would say that Beaujolais is even less understood, because a majority of wine drinkers probably think that there isn't anymore to understand than Nouveau and inexpensive, picnic-style reds.
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Re: What is the most misunderstood wine?

by Dan Smothergill » Mon Dec 17, 2012 6:35 pm

a majority of wine drinkers probably think that there isn't anymore to understand than Nouveau and inexpensive, picnic-style reds


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Re: What is the most misunderstood wine?

by Sue Courtney » Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:47 am

Riesling. Especially from a non wine geek consumer point of view. It seems to be pigeon holed when it is the one grape variety that is excitingly diverse.
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Re: What is the most misunderstood wine?

by Bob Parsons Alberta » Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:56 am

Pinot Blanc also springs to mind, cannot remember the last time I enjoyed one.

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