Yakov F wrote:Sorry Yossie but now you're way off mark. Mevushal is not in ANY sense a stringency
Elie,
I am very sorry to point out once again that you are uninformed on the halachic facts. You have misstated before in other threads as well. Current kashrut supervision practices are a reflection of just that - current halachic practices. And again - since you write with great generalization, so do I.
I can start quoting the most prominent halachic sources over the centuries as well as the major leading contemporary sources but again, this is not the forum for halachic discussions on these issues.
I do however highly recommend that you study them before posting in the future.
Yakov
'So-called' wine expert
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Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:46 pm
Jerusalem, Israel
Gabriel Geller wrote:This is also why halachic discussions should be avoided on this forum. Guys, I'm not going to pretend that I represent other forumites' opinions (though I do have a strong feeling that many will agree with this) but I think that you should either keep it civil or stop it.
Thanks,
GG
Elie Poltorak wrote:Gabriel Geller wrote:This is also why halachic discussions should be avoided on this forum. Guys, I'm not going to pretend that I represent other forumites' opinions (though I do have a strong feeling that many will agree with this) but I think that you should either keep it civil or stop it.
Thanks,
GG
I don't see why we can't discuss any topic in a civil manner--halachic or otherwise. When we discuss kosher wines, there's bound to be some halachic issues involved. We've had spirited discussions about these issues in the past without getting personal. But for some reason Yakov feels the need to attack me every time without actually challenging what I'm saying and that really ticks me off. There's nothing wrong with sharp disagreements--we've had quite a few without getting personal. In fact, I was just engaged in an interesting argument with Yossie about mevushal wine--both the quality and kashrut aspects. In any event, whoever isn't interested in a particular topic is free to skip those posts. But if someone does comment, they should say something substantive rather than just attacking the poster.
'So-called' wine expert
1513
Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:46 pm
Jerusalem, Israel
Elie Poltorak wrote:Gabriel Geller wrote:This is also why halachic discussions should be avoided on this forum. Guys, I'm not going to pretend that I represent other forumites' opinions (though I do have a strong feeling that many will agree with this) but I think that you should either keep it civil or stop it.
Thanks,
GG
I don't see why we can't discuss any topic in a civil manner--halachic or otherwise. When we discuss kosher wines, there's bound to be some halachic issues involved. We've had spirited discussions about these issues in the past without getting personal. But for some reason Yakov feels the need to attack me every time without actually challenging what I'm saying and that really ticks me off. There's nothing wrong with sharp disagreements--we've had quite a few without getting personal. In fact, I was just engaged in an interesting argument with Yossie about mevushal wine--both the quality and kashrut aspects. In any event, whoever isn't interested in a particular topic is free to skip those posts. But if someone does comment, they should say something substantive rather than just attacking the poster.
Elchonon Hellinger wrote:Firstly, perhaps we can petition Robin gar for a forum to spar on halachik issues and invite some major hashgachot to weigh in
David Raccah wrote:I could not help myself - I agree with Gabe, and again, it is my opinion, can we please table this subject and discuss the business side of the issue rather than the religious side of the issue. Everyone has their own opinion of what/which Jews can touch a bottle of opened non-mevushal wine and many can find support for it. The problem is, no matter your opinion you will be pissing someone off. So, I will again simply ask - can we table this and ask your LAOR (Local Area Orthodox Rabbi)? This is not the place for these subjects...
David
David Raccah wrote:So, I will again simply ask - can we table this and ask your LAOR (Local Area Orthodox Rabbi)? This is not the place for these subjects...
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