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Jenise wrote: And yes too bad about Carrie, she was good. But in the episode, the way she put it in her own defense was something like, "I love it so I thought I'd make it!" Well, fine, but that's not how to win--ditto the broccoli the week before. But back to this episode, were you as surprised as I was that the fried oyster won?
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Jenise wrote:Carrie, holler after you've seen last night's show--it's a doozie.
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Carrie L. wrote:I watched it this morning. Wow. That was a tough one. Not sure what I would have done if I were in Nick's shoes. I think the fact that they suggested he resign will forever blemish his future in the competition. How will he ever be able to feel good about a win knowing he probably should have gone home…? I feel badly for him because I don't think he really made his dish. Both teams were making their celebrity chefs' food. Not their own. They pretty much just had to trust. I don't like that. The celebrities should have just provided some ideas and left the rest up to the cheftestants, IMO.
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Jenise wrote:Carrie L. wrote:I watched it this morning. Wow. That was a tough one. Not sure what I would have done if I were in Nick's shoes. I think the fact that they suggested he resign will forever blemish his future in the competition. How will he ever be able to feel good about a win knowing he probably should have gone home…? I feel badly for him because I don't think he really made his dish. Both teams were making their celebrity chefs' food. Not their own. They pretty much just had to trust. I don't like that. The celebrities should have just provided some ideas and left the rest up to the cheftestants, IMO.
But didn't you think they had some latitude within their execution of the guest chef's item? Ultimately, they had to serve something that tasted good. Nick didn't. I was surprised the Spain team won, actually, because Serra was so much harder to work with (I thought).
But here's the thing: even if Nick won, he'd never be considered a winner. Like Hosea, or that little guy who never won a single elimination challenge but ended up winning in the Puerto Rican final more or less because Angelo got sick? Those people may have won the season, but they were never a winner in the minds of the public and they've disappeared from the planet.
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Jo Ann Henderson wrote: Why would Nick never be considered a winner -- over this?! While it's a food show and I love to see the creativity, and equally I like to see the flops and what contributes to them, to me it is ultimately a competition. I like the quick-fire round where one of the cheftestants gets immunity. Once I saw who the guest chef/foodwriter, etc was, I would fight like crazy to win the quick-fire just to get immunity. Especially if I thought the challenge round might include a cuisine with which I was less familiar. Why give immunity, then ask the contestant who has it to resign? What's the purpose of a rule if you ask the person who plays by them to break them (so to speak). Okay, so the dish was bad. We all have a bad day. Isn't the whole purpose of immunity to provide you cover from the disaster? I would have done exactly what Nick did and not felt bad about it, because I would have played according to the playbook! But, from this point, I would cook my ass off knowing that I will be seen as the villain to the sweet little blonde thing that just got booted off due to my supposed lack of "chivalry". IN IT TO WIN IT!
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Jenise wrote:Because Nick hasn't been a top contender all along. Best I can recall he hasn't been winning elimination heats, he just hasn't been the biggest loser. And that's what I meant about not being considered a winner. There are several who've won fair and square, but without ever being a top contender all along they were never considered a real winner in the end by the public. Again, can I mention Hosea: he won fair and square, but was he the best chef in the competition? No, not by a long shot, and everyone knew it. And where is he now?
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Jo Ann Henderson wrote:The public decides "winners" based on favorability. If Nick wins in the end, it will be based on the rules in front of them at the time, should he make it in the final 3 circle.
And, not all of the Top Chef winners are blazing the landscape as the hottest new thing. Besides Richard Blaise and Michael Voltaggio, do you know where any of them are now and what they are doing? For that fact, can you even remember the names of any of them?
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Jenise wrote:Nick can win the game, but add last week to the fact that his food hasn't exactly been stellar anyway, IMO he's already lost the public.
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Jo Ann Henderson wrote:Jenise wrote:Nick can win the game, but add last week to the fact that his food hasn't exactly been stellar anyway, IMO he's already lost the public.
Not all of the ones you speak of were Top Chef winners, but each had public favorability, which I surmise is the point you are making. Which is one of the reasons that the show has such high ratings. But, for me it is as much about how they play the game as how well they cook. For instance, I am entertained by how Carlos continues to rub Nick (seeming deliberately) in a way that he doesn't with any of the other contestants. I think it's a head game. I saw Stephanie as a whiner who was too often self-depricating and never certain about which direction to take on each challenge. I thought it was part of her schtick! And, sometimes I believe the chefs have their favorites and the voting shows how they are leaning because periodically we are surprised that someone won the round "with that dish"! Sometimes even the winning food is not that stellar, like Nina's potato and olive salad (not even good olives).
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