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Pappone di Vino
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Wed Mar 29, 2006 6:50 pm
In a gallon jug far, far away ...
Passionate Arboisphile
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 2:05 am
Northern California
Florida Jim wrote:California is an expensive place to live. If one doesn't come to the table with a large fortune, one had best listen to the market - like it or not.
I'm not saying I like the idea. But reality is a stern taskmaster.
Best, Jim
Hoke wrote:I might be in the minority though, in blaming the critics for this state of affairs. I think that's the lazy way out, frankly, and a cheap shot by Murray, frankly. It's also something of a surrender---especially when you benefit from that approach, and admit you benefit from that approach, and then have the temerity to complain about it.
It's not the critics: it is who the public chooses to follow and anoint as the critic-of-choice to dictate their preferences.
Florida Jim wrote:Hoke wrote:I might be in the minority though, in blaming the critics for this state of affairs. I think that's the lazy way out, frankly, and a cheap shot by Murray, frankly. It's also something of a surrender---especially when you benefit from that approach, and admit you benefit from that approach, and then have the temerity to complain about it.
It's not the critics: it is who the public chooses to follow and anoint as the critic-of-choice to dictate their preferences.
Hoke,
Absolutely. As my brother says, "the adjustable nut" is often the problem.
But just as the consuming public pays too much attention to the critics, so do the producers. And I suspect that changes only when the consuming public makes it so.
Best, Jim
I'm sorry, but the wine was macerated blueberry swill, and it has a market!
Pappone di Vino
1920
Wed Mar 29, 2006 6:50 pm
In a gallon jug far, far away ...
Hoke wrote:Our only hope is that every trend has its arc, and maybe, just maybe, we're approaching the end of one arc and the beginning of another.
Passionate Arboisphile
9154
Fri Aug 25, 2006 2:05 am
Northern California
Gary Barlettano wrote:But a winemaker is not going to make wine which isn't going to sell. Most have kids to feed and many pay spousal support. If you're in it to make a living, then Andrew Murray is doing what he has to. If you're in it to make a point, then be ready to go broke.
I've always made a point of noting that a wine may be of exceptional purity and focus yet still fail to claim a critical mass despite its unquestionable quality.
Hoke wrote:If what you describe as devine, is something Robin describes as so-so, or even repugnant, how is that "unquestionable quality"? Yet you've championed numerous wines that Robin, and others, have disagreed with. The fact that you like the wines does not make them of unquestionable quality. Perhaps...just perhaps...those wines (or at least some of those wines) are not successful simply because they don't appeal to enough people to keep them in production? Perhaps they are not to peoples' tastes.
You, I and Robin define quality differently: for you guys, it's grape-specific;
Now, I know where you're coming from in arguing from the popular-acceptance point; it's just that I feel that's not always a reliable indicator of the quality of that product. If it were, then why do industrial jug wines continue to sell?
Hoke wrote:Quality is entirely a personal matter. The assessment of quality may be related to the nature of the item or object itself; it may also be entirely dependent upon one's predilections. It's not necessarily a communicable or consistently shared judgement, however.
Hoke wrote:[Lest anyone jump to any conclusions, I am not angry, or irate, or cranky, and this response should not be interpreted (by Paul or anyone else) as being in that vein. This is civil disagreement, thassall. No defamation intended or expressed]
Pappone di Vino
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Wed Mar 29, 2006 6:50 pm
In a gallon jug far, far away ...
Hoke wrote: I've never seen any issue that can't be discussed.
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