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David M. Bueker
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David M. Bueker
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Mike Filigenzi
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David M. Bueker
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Mike Filigenzi wrote:The use of GM yeast in and of itself doesn't bother me. If I like the wine produced by this then I'll drink it. If I don't, then I won't.
David M. Bueker
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Roger.M wrote: It always begs the question that if they don't inform you of it maybe there's a reason why that they don't want you to know about?!
Mike Filigenzi
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Hoke
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great tasting wine has been produced for centuries without GM ...
Roger.M wrote:Y
I'm not afraid of science but messing with genetics given that those modified yeast genetics will remain in the bottle is more concerning as we don't know if there might be any health concerns. Maybe the volume you need to drink would make the cirrhosis of the liver a more pressing worry I don't know.
Mike Filigenzi wrote: Personally, though, I have a hard time coming up with possible negative consequences in their use. The objection that some make to GM crops - that pollen from them will spread into non-GM locations, thus "contaminating" the non-GM crops - doesn't really apply to wine yeast.
I suppose it's possible that you could have a GM yeast that somehow added something to the wine that was unhealthful, but I see that as a real stretch.
Mike Filigenzi
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Mark Lipton wrote:Mike Filigenzi wrote: Personally, though, I have a hard time coming up with possible negative consequences in their use. The objection that some make to GM crops - that pollen from them will spread into non-GM locations, thus "contaminating" the non-GM crops - doesn't really apply to wine yeast.
Given how prevalent wine yeasts are in the winery faciilities themselves, I see no problem for a GM yeast to multuiply and spread outside of the fermentation vessel. That being the case, a GM "superyeast" could easily displace "native" yeasts, and lead to how knows what sort of consequences? This isn't at all farfetched since they are mucking with the yeasts' metabolism (i.e. fermentation).
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David M. Bueker
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Mike Filigenzi wrote:The objection that some make to GM crops - that pollen from them will spread into non-GM locations, thus "contaminating" the non-GM crops - doesn't really apply to wine yeast.
David M. Bueker wrote:Science scares people
Mike Filigenzi
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Thomas wrote:Mike Filigenzi wrote:The objection that some make to GM crops - that pollen from them will spread into non-GM locations, thus "contaminating" the non-GM crops - doesn't really apply to wine yeast.
Is that a proven fact, Mike.
With regular cultured and natural yeast, once used in a winery they leave behind a population. In fact, most wine producers really don't know which yeast completes their fermentations.
With that in mind, I can see a scenario where one yeast can be engineered to take over the local yeast population similarly to the way genetically engineered pollen concerns farmers.
Seems like a possibility, and if so, it would do two things: it would give the makers of the yeast a steady and sure market 2. it would create havoc in the winery when trying to do something with your wine that the yeast may not be programmed to do.
Not that I am saying this is the case, just wondering if what you say is in fact true.
Sometimes, people who are against GM aren't knee-jerking against health concerns--there are potential production concerns.
David M. Bueker
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Robin Garr wrote:David M. Bueker wrote:Science scares people
I think a lot of the concern about GM doesn't have to do with science scaring people, but lightly regulated corporate entities using science to do scary things with limited concern for consumer health or safety.
David M. Bueker wrote:So there's black helicopters in your yard as well?
David M. Bueker
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David M. Bueker wrote:It's not as simple as all corporations are bad.
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