Hoke
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
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James Roscoe
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James Roscoe wrote: I just can't work up the righteous indignation over cork taint.
David M. Bueker
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
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Hoke wrote:I cannot, for the life of me, any longer understand the bleating of people who talk about 'the romance of the cork'
Hoke
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
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David M. Bueker wrote:Hoke wrote:I cannot, for the life of me, any longer understand the bleating of people who talk about 'the romance of the cork'
Well then better chop Neal Rosenthal off your list of good guys, because that's exactly what he talked about at the tasting I attended with him. He unequivocally stated that he will never import a bottle of wine with anything but a natural cork, and that anyone who would buy/drink a wine with synthetic/glass/screw top was making "a political statement against all that wine stands for." I loudly stated "you can't drink the cork" in response. The audience laughed.
Hoke
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
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Thomas wrote:Gee Hoke, I never knew there was such a problem in the wine world. Where can I get more information about this "corked" thing? It sounds like a potential major problem, and I am so glad I stuck my head out of the sand for five minutes to read your post and find out about it
David M. Bueker
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
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Tom N. wrote:Someone told me that Gunderloch switched from artificial corks to screwcaps because they were having problems with too much oxygen penetration with artificial corks. Is that your experience?
David M. Bueker wrote:Tom N. wrote:Someone told me that Gunderloch switched from artificial corks to screwcaps because they were having problems with too much oxygen penetration with artificial corks. Is that your experience?
That's my experience. I've had Gunderloch and Christoffel under synthetics that were badly oxidized by age 3.
James Roscoe
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:43 pm
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Rahsaan wrote:James Roscoe wrote: I just can't work up the righteous indignation over cork taint.
You don't open as many bottles as Hoke does
Hoke
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
David M. Bueker wrote:Tom N. wrote:Someone told me that Gunderloch switched from artificial corks to screwcaps because they were having problems with too much oxygen penetration with artificial corks. Is that your experience?
That's my experience. I've had Gunderloch and Christoffel under synthetics that were badly oxidized by age 3.
Tom N. wrote:Hoke,
I agree. I just added a note to my riesling vertical about the transition that Gunderloch went through during the 2000-2005 period. At the start they used real corks, then switched to artificial and then in 2005 switched to screwcaps. Luckily the wine with the real cork was good in this vertical. However, I don't think we noticed any real trends in the wine quality related to the different closure systems being used. Someone told me that Gunderloch switched from artificial corks to screwcaps because they were having problems with too much oxygen penetration with artificial corks. Is that your experience?
Redwinger
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:36 pm
Way Down South In Indiana, USA
Hoke wrote:Or, Hoke Goes Off On Cork Taint Yet Again.
While opening numerous bottles this week for some training I was doing, I had a run of three cork tainted bottles from one producer.
Opened bottle one....lightly tainted, but nonetheless perceptible. All fruit is gone, and nothing but a lingering stale, flat, dull quality is left.
Opened bottle two....Agh! Foul, rank, egregious, funky, cardboard and fungus mold and dead animals under the house. Outrageously, disgustingly cork tainted.
In a panic, I sent a person running to the restaurant (we were in a hotel meeting room) to secure another bottle. Success! Bottle procured. We opened.
Corked.
Now I happen to know about this winery, and about the winemaker, and the owner. And I can tell you that they spend hours and hours of valuable man hours, and a great deal of money, securing the best and most expensive corks they can, then testing, testing, testing, constantly testing, multiple corks from each and every batch, ruthlessly rejecting even a hint of cork taint. They pride themselves on going far, far beyond even stringent requirements to insure the wine they produce is as correct as possible.
And yet, even with all that care and money, cork taint manages to get through.
And when this happens....when I open what should be a pristine, delicious, evocative, compelling bottle of wine, crafted by an artisan to exacting specifications of quality, and then have to smell that disgusting foul odor emanating from the neck of the bottle, permeating the room, fouling everything it touches, and I have the most depressing disappointment come over me... Rapidly followed by outrage, pure unadulterated fury that this could happen.
I cannot, for the life of me, any longer understand the bleating of people who talk about 'the romance of the cork', or 'there hasn't been sufficient trial', or
"better to stick with tradition than chance anything new." And, okay, okay, the cork producers finally got off their lazy, fat asses and were forced to do something about it; and yes, they've improved, greatly improved.
But you know what? That's not good enough for me anymore.
I am sick to death of having cork taint spoil otherwise great wines. Or otherwise mediocre wines, for that matter. Enough is enough!
Get rid of plugs of tree bark. Banish them from all bottles. To hell with being patient and understanding and placatory. Off with their cork-heads!
Whether artificail/alternative or screwcaps or crown caps....or whatever closure will best do the job it's designed to do, anything is better than cork.
Period.
[I'd like to say that made me feel better---but it doesn't, not really; because I know there's a cork tainted bottle out there, waiting for me, lurking until the right moment to spoil my mood.]
David M. Bueker
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
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Andrew Burge wrote:Diverging slightly - I have some 04 Gunderlochs in the cellar under screwcap. Perhaps different closures for different markets that year? Australia seems to be relatively receptive to non cork closures,
Sam Platt
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Sat Mar 25, 2006 12:22 pm
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James Roscoe
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:43 pm
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Sam Platt
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Sat Mar 25, 2006 12:22 pm
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Where is Tim? He could have turned this into a really fun thread!
James Roscoe
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:43 pm
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Sam Platt wrote:Where is Tim? He could have turned this into a really fun thread!
That did become one of the nastier threads that I can remember. In fairness, I do think that Tim changed his approach and turned into a pretty solid forum citizen.
Daniel Rogov
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Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:10 am
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James Roscoe wrote:At the end of the day, it is difficult for me to see anyone seriously defending corks.
Hoke
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
Hoke
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
James Roscoe wrote:Rahsaan wrote:James Roscoe wrote: I just can't work up the righteous indignation over cork taint.
You don't open as many bottles as Hoke does
That is a good point, but is it really a sign of the apocalypse? I will admit, I am all for screw caps as a closure.
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