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Re: WineLibraryTV Today: Wines from the Finger Lakes

by Ed Draves » Sun Feb 17, 2008 6:40 am

Paul B. wrote:Different strokes indeed :!:

I concur with Joe. I'm no boomer myself, and given my age, statistically I should probably like Gary's noisy style . . . but I don't.

I'm working on a videoblog myself and my style is very different from Gary's. When I try to do the high energy and excitement, I come across as Ric Flair's inbred cousin. Gary has a lot of talent, not only as a talented taster but as a TV personality as well. He would be successful as a dry, information only wine critic and he would kick Leno/O'Brien/Kimmel/Letterman butt as a late night TV host. Like you all agree "Different strokes" but Gary is the top of the mountain in many many ways.
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Re: WineLibraryTV Today: Wines from the Finger Lakes

by Joe Moryl » Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:47 am

Robin Garr wrote:
Joe Moryl wrote:But I must say, I can hardly watch those clips: he is extremely irritating.

Different strokes, I guess, and possibly a generation-gap issue. Gary has a huge, devoted following of "Vayniacs," and he's certainly done a better job than anyone in the world of wine - far, far more than Parker - to open up wine to the younger generation. I think that's worth a big round of applause, even if his style does seem OTT to us graying Boomers. ;)


Well Robin, I got a chuckle out of your response because it is the second time today I've been told I don't understand something in a discussion group because I am an old fart. I'm also in to cycling and opined that the new kits for the controversial racing team Rock & Republic looked 'adolescent' (think Spiderman in black and green with a big skull logo everywhere). The response is that I don't understand the 'target demographic' and didn't know good fashion because of my (presumed) advanced age!
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Re: WineLibraryTV Today: Wines from the Finger Lakes

by Robin Garr » Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:59 am

Joe Moryl wrote:Well Robin, I got a chuckle out of your response because it is the second time today I've been told I don't understand something in a discussion group because I am an old fart. I'm also in to cycling and opined that the new kits for the controversial racing team Rock & Republic looked 'adolescent' (think Spiderman in black and green with a big skull logo everywhere). The response is that I don't understand the 'target demographic' and didn't know good fashion because of my (presumed) advanced age!

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I hope you didn't take offense, Joe. As you know, I'm a graying Baby Boomer myself! Still, I think it's worth noting with admiration the way Gary has captured the affection of a generation that the wine industry has been trying to reach, without much success.
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Re: WineLibraryTV Today: Wines from the Finger Lakes

by Paul B. » Sun Feb 17, 2008 1:45 pm

Joe Moryl wrote:I'm also in to cycling and opined that the new kits for the controversial racing team Rock & Republic looked 'adolescent' (think Spiderman in black and green with a big skull logo everywhere). The response is that I don't understand the 'target demographic' and didn't know good fashion because of my (presumed) advanced age!

Joe, I don't think age has anything to do with it - don't believe them. I'm 35 and I find myself agreeing with you entirely.

I think that above all it has to do with chaos and noise being mistaken for "energy and life" too often, while anything that's serene and sober (no pun intended!) is seen as unexcitable and incapable of causing a marketing stir. And, maybe it is ... but I'm happy with that myself.

And contemplation isn't much in fashion these days either - turn on the TV or the radio, and it just blares at you. It's for that reason that some of my favourite stations are public radio and television; there's none of that there, or at least very little.
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Re: WineLibraryTV Today: Wines from the Finger Lakes

by Keith M » Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:30 pm

Paul B. wrote:Joe, I don't think age has anything to do with it - don't believe them. I'm 35 and I find myself agreeing with you entirely.

I think that above all it has to do with chaos and noise being mistaken for "energy and life" too often, while anything that's serene and sober (no pun intended!) is seen as unexcitable and incapable of causing a marketing stir. And, maybe it is ... but I'm happy with that myself.

Paul,

I agree that age alone does not completely explain who does and does not like Gary Vaynerchuk's approach. But, as Robin indicates, I would guess that he appeals more to those that are young and those who are less experienced with wine and hence more intimidated by the world of wine appreciation and wine geekery.

And, of course, different styles appeal to different people, but I would urge you not to dismiss Vaynerchuk and his approach as all style and no substance. If nothing else, Vaynerchuk is able to communicate a passion, an active curiosity, a concerted determination to try the new, the unheralded, the underappreciated to a world of people just coming online to the world of wine who might be tempted to either parrot existing received and conventional wisdoms or shun the world of wine as pretentious and uninteresting.

Speaking of public television, there was once a great documentary called No Sweat in which Dov Charney of American Apparel claimed (with some justification, I think) to be the hustler of his generation. I think Vaynerchuk has some claim to a similar title for himself--and I respect him for it. To anyone I would say: don't listen to music that grates your ears, don't explore cuisines that don't fit your palate, don't read literature that bores you to tears, and, goodness gracious, don't watch Gary Vaynerchuk if you don't like his style--it is easy to me to understand how many would find it offputting. But I would argue that it doesn't mean that there isn't something--some substance--that others who have different stylistic preferences can appreciate and learn from.
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Re: WineLibraryTV Today: Wines from the Finger Lakes

by Paul B. » Sun Feb 17, 2008 3:02 pm

Keith, certainly it makes sense to separate the message from the style, so point taken! :)
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Re: WineLibraryTV Today: Psssst, I Got a Secret

by Robin Garr » Mon Feb 18, 2008 7:00 pm

Psssst, I Got a Secret - Episode #410

Gary Vaynerchuk tells you about an area that's producing some of the most interesting wines in the world. Wines tasted in this episode: 2005 Langoureau St Aubin 1er Cru en Remilly; 2005 Vincent Girardin Murgers des Dents de Chien St Aubin, and 2005 Hubert Lamy St. Aubin Clos Chatenniere.

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Re: WineLibraryTV Today: Psssst, I Got a Secret

by Craig Pinhey » Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:26 am

I just watched him for the first time -- the Osoyoos Larose episode, so I could hear him talk about a wine I know well.
I thought he described the wine very accurately.

His style is a bit irritating at times, but it works for him, right? Would I want to go out to dinner and share wine with him? Probably not.

I do a lot of tastings for young people, and I find they respond well to more aggressive talk - conspiracy theories and dissing wines, personalities, techniques, and regions I don't like -- and that is just fine by me!
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Re: WineLibraryTV Today: 2005 Bordeaux Talk

by Robin Garr » Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:43 pm

2005 Bordeaux Talk On The Heels Of The New Wine Spectator - Episode #411

Wine Spectator's new 2005 Bordeaux issue inspires this show of WLTV. Gary Vaynerchuk yaps about the wines and the vintage and the fact that tomorrow is the two-year anniversary of this little show. Wines tasted in this episode: 2005 Chateau Luchey Halde Graves/Pessac-Leognan Blanc, and 2005 Chateau Les Secrets De Cardinale St.-Emilion.

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Re: WineLibraryTV Today: Wine With Birthday Cake: WLTV Turns 2

by Robin Garr » Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:12 pm

What Wine Goes Well With Birthday Cake. WLTV Turns 2 Today. - Episode #412

Gary Vaynerchuk's little tiny wine show turns 2 today, and it makes Gary ponder what wine goes well with birthday cake. Wines tasted in this episode: 2006 Uva Mira Sauvignon Blanc South Africa; 2005 Feital Alvarinho Dorado Minho; 1999 Le Presi Brunello di Montalcino, and 2003 Mas De La Barben Les Calices Languedoc-Roussillon.

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Re: WineLibraryTV Today: Chateau De Fargues Sauternes Tasting

by Robin Garr » Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:49 pm

A Chateau De Fargues Sauternes Tasting - Episode #413

Gary Vaynerchuk gives his take on the wine that many call "poor man's Chateau d'Yquem." Wines tasted in this episode: 1990 Chateau De Fargues Sauternes; 2001 Chateau De Fargues Sauternes, and 2003 Chateau De Fargues Sauternes.

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Re: WineLibraryTV Today: 2004 Bordeaux, a Timing Thing

by Robin Garr » Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:50 pm

2004 Vintage Bordeaux, A Timing Thing - Episode #414

We are going with Intense Friday instead of laid-back Friday because Gary Vaynerchuk thinks there is a real opportunity to learn and exploit a huge opportunity; he wants to make sure all the Vayniacs out there have a chance to score! Wines tasted in this episode: 2004 Chateau Clos de l'Oratoire St.-Emilion; 2004 Chateau Haut-Brisson St.-Emilion; 2004 Clos les Lunelles; 2004 Chateau Canon St.-Emilion, and 2004 Chateau Leoville-Las Cases St.-Julien.

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Re: WineLibraryTV Today: Australia vs France Chardonnay Battle

by Robin Garr » Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:14 pm

Australia vs France in a Chardonnay Battle - Episode #415

Gary Vaynerchuk takes a look at two Chardonnay wines, one from Aussie and one from Burgundy. Who will win? Wines tasted in this episode: 2003 Vincent Girardin Meursault Poruzot Dessus, and 2005 Tapanappa Chardonnay Tiers Australia.

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Re: WineLibraryTV Today: Pinot Gris vs Pinot Grigio

by Robin Garr » Tue Feb 26, 2008 4:50 pm

Pinot Gris vs Pinot Grigio - Episode #416

Gary Vaynerchuk continues to expand on the battle royal, head-to-head battles of the Thunder Show and focuses on Italy and Oregon today. Wines tasted in this episode: 2006 Chehalem Oregon Pinot Gris, and 2005 Fantinel Vigneti Sant' Helena Collio Pinot Grigio.

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Re: WineLibraryTV Today: Malbec vs Malbec

by Robin Garr » Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:01 pm

Malbec vs Malbec - Episode #417

It's the new world vs the old world as Gary Vaynerchuk continues with the head-to-head battle of Malbecs from France and Argentina. Wines tasted in this episode: 2004 Origine Cahors, and 2006 Punto Final Classico Argentine Malbec.

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Re: WineLibraryTV Today: Pinot Noir Showdown

by Robin Garr » Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:54 pm

Pinot Noir Showdown - Episode #418

Continuing with the head-to-head showdown today, Gary compares two Pinot Noirs when something totally unexpected happens. Wines tasted in this episode: 2006 Amisfield Central Otago New Zealand Pinot Noir, and 2005 Phillips Hill Toulouse California Pinot Noir.

Feb. 28, 2008
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Re: California Chardonnay and Questions - Episode #306

by Bob Henrick » Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:10 pm

Bob Parsons Alberta. wrote:I would love to listed/tune in whatever but as usual buffering problems. Same with YouTube, do I need high speed internet??


Bob,
Me thinks you ask this question with tongue firmly planted in cheek. What is your connection speed? Are you on dial up with a 56k modem? Or, are you perhaps on a DSL connection? if the answer to either is yes, then the next question is a cable connection available? If the answer to that is yes, then the next question is why haven't you signed on, even if you have to get a day job to do it...DO IT! I know you already have a night job. :-)
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Re: WineLibraryTV Today: Pinot Noir Showdown

by Bob Parsons Alberta » Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:20 pm

Day job? Who are you kiddin!

DSL, what on earth is that?
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Re: California Chardonnay and Questions - Episode #306

by Robin Garr » Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:12 pm

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Bob Parsons Alberta. wrote:I would love to listed/tune in whatever but as usual buffering problems. Same with YouTube, do I need high speed internet??


Bob,
Me thinks you ask this question with tongue firmly planted in cheek....

Bob, just out of curiosity, did you happen to notice that you were responding to a question that Bob P asked on Aug, 31, 2007?
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Re: WineLibraryTV Today: Pinot Noir Showdown

by Bob Parsons Alberta » Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:23 pm

Thats OK boss, Bob H and myself are always months behind in responding here with each other. My lack of computer know-how still persists!!!
In actual fact, through PMs, Bob H has been very helpful and I owe him many thanks (wave the flag for BobH).
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Re: California Chardonnay and Questions - Episode #306

by Bob Henrick » Fri Feb 29, 2008 6:56 am

Robin Garr wrote:
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Bob Parsons Alberta. wrote:I would love to listed/tune in whatever but as usual buffering problems. Same with YouTube, do I need high speed internet??


Bob,
Me thinks you ask this question with tongue firmly planted in cheek....

Bob, just out of curiosity, did you happen to notice that you were responding to a question that Bob P asked on Aug, 31, 2007?


Actually I did not notice the date on the post. I mean it was on page 7 which is the last page of the thread.
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Re: California Chardonnay and Questions - Episode #306

by Robin Garr » Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:47 am

Bob Henrick wrote:Actually I did not notice the date on the post. I mean it was on page 7 which is the last page of the thread.

It's not important, Bob. Something odd there, though ... on my screen Bob's post is on Page 1, the third post from back when the thread was new last August. No big deal, I was just curious.
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Re: WineLibraryTV Today: New Zealand vs France Syrah Showdown

by Robin Garr » Fri Feb 29, 2008 6:48 pm

New Zealand vs France Syrah Showdown - Episode #419

Gary Vaynerchuk concludes the head-to-head showdown today with a classic battle pitting New Zealand against France. Wines tasted in this episode: 2004 Craggy Range Le Sol New Zealand Syrah, and 2004 Puech Haut Clos Du Pic Languedoc-Roussillon.

Feb. 29, 2008
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Re: WineLibraryTV Today: Will these wines rock?

by Robin Garr » Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:21 pm

Will these wines rock? A Mixed Bag of Stuff - Episode #420

Gary Vaynerchuk is in the mood to try a few different wines and goes with a mixed bag. Wines tasted in this episode: 2005 Lynmar Russian River Chardonnay Sonoma; 2006 Altesino Rosso di Altesino Toscana IGT; 2006 Mike Weir Cabernet/Merlot Canada, and 2005 d'Arenberg 28 Road Australian Mourvedre.

March 3, 2008
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