David M. Bueker wrote:Tim-did you just recently have a bottle of it?
About 2 hours ago.

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David M. Bueker wrote:Tim-did you just recently have a bottle of it?
Tim York wrote:I tasted at the Closel stand yesterday and a young man there said that oxidation is a common problem with Savennières which can be prevented by re-corking!?
Rahsaan wrote:Tim York wrote:I tasted at the Closel stand yesterday and a young man there said that oxidation is a common problem with Savennières which can be prevented by re-corking!?
Sounds fishy. I would have thought it was something do with the terroir in Anjou and how the grapes ripen, since it typically was much more common there than in Touraine. But with the rise in premox for Huet, who knows.
Tim York wrote:The Closel guy explained to me that Savennières was a sweet wine area not so long ago and that the move towards dry had entailed ripeness levels closer to sweet which explains the frequently high alcohol (I've hear the same comment from a UK wine specialist at the RSJ London restaurant.) I think that the oxidative tendency has something to do with this history and some people think that older Savennières "is supposed to taste like that"..
Rahsaan wrote:Tim York wrote:The Closel guy explained to me that Savennières was a sweet wine area not so long ago and that the move towards dry had entailed ripeness levels closer to sweet which explains the frequently high alcohol (I've hear the same comment from a UK wine specialist at the RSJ London restaurant.) I think that the oxidative tendency has something to do with this history and some people think that older Savennières "is supposed to taste like that"..
Interesting. I think the rapid ripening/high alcohols may explain something, but do you know long is 'not so long ago'? I.E. when did the dry wines start? Did Coulee de Serrant used to be a sweet wine!

JC (NC)
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Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:23 pm
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Tim York wrote:sables éoliens (translation please?).

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David M. Bueker
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
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 Very dark ruby, as dark red as fruit juice. Intriguing floral scents of old roses and violets, plus a hint of something like concentrated cherry syrup and a whiff of white pepper on the nose. Consistent on the palate, tart red fruit with complex nuances, good acidity and appropriate tannic astringency, Pinot character and an intriguing hint of stony minerality: dry and long with dark cherries and roses in the finish, a food-friendly 12.5% alcohol.  U.S. importer: LDM Wines, NYC, Louis/Dressner Selections. (Tasted twice: Feb. 18, 2015, and Nov. 28, 2014)
Very dark ruby, as dark red as fruit juice. Intriguing floral scents of old roses and violets, plus a hint of something like concentrated cherry syrup and a whiff of white pepper on the nose. Consistent on the palate, tart red fruit with complex nuances, good acidity and appropriate tannic astringency, Pinot character and an intriguing hint of stony minerality: dry and long with dark cherries and roses in the finish, a food-friendly 12.5% alcohol.  U.S. importer: LDM Wines, NYC, Louis/Dressner Selections. (Tasted twice: Feb. 18, 2015, and Nov. 28, 2014)
David M. Bueker
Childless Cat Dad
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
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 .Bob Parsons Alberta wrote:IF you had just named the appellation, I would have been stumped Tim! Fat chance of finding over here.
 and I'm looking forward to luncheon with a plateau de fruits de mer at a restaurant overlooking the beach at Villers-sur-Mer. Muscadet? Sancerre? Picpoul de Pinet?
  and I'm looking forward to luncheon with a plateau de fruits de mer at a restaurant overlooking the beach at Villers-sur-Mer. Muscadet? Sancerre? Picpoul de Pinet? .
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JC (NC)
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Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:23 pm
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 . Initial entry is dry some tannins here still. A chemical element on the finish does not help but does blow off in time.  Medium acidity, could use more CF fruit. Some raspberry, green pepper, other black fruits. "Could use a more deft touch....too tight". Do not think  will show better grace with time.
 . Initial entry is dry some tannins here still. A chemical element on the finish does not help but does blow off in time.  Medium acidity, could use more CF fruit. Some raspberry, green pepper, other black fruits. "Could use a more deft touch....too tight". Do not think  will show better grace with time. which looks just like his other labels minus the estate name.
 which looks just like his other labels minus the estate name.Users browsing this forum: Amazonbot, Babbar, Bing [Bot], ClaudeBot, FB-extagent and 0 guests