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Jenise
FLDG Dishwasher
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:45 pm
The Pacific Northest Westest
Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
11420
Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
Dale Williams
Compassionate Connoisseur
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:32 pm
Dobbs Ferry, NY (NYC metro)
Cynthia Wenslow
Pizza Princess
5746
Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:32 pm
The Third Coast
Dale Williams wrote:TCA sensitivity tests
Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
11420
Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
That is exactly what I was going to say, Dale. A man I regularly drink wine with has absolutely no sensitivity to it at all. The rest of us just gaze on him in amazement! When we all agree that a wine is corked, he says things like "It's a little one-dimensional, but other than that it seems ok."
Jenise
FLDG Dishwasher
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:45 pm
The Pacific Northest Westest
I think you would be doing a great service to this fellow's employer by sending the company a copy of your post.
Cynthia Wenslow
Pizza Princess
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Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:32 pm
The Third Coast
Jenise wrote:Unfortunately, I'm just cynical enough to think they'd only read the part about the elderly couple's new religion and go "hurray".
Jenise
FLDG Dishwasher
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:45 pm
The Pacific Northest Westest
this person was spouting some of the same tired old cliches and apologies and excuses, and engaging in the same old tired dodging and weaving to justify the use of cork, and was actively defaming alternative closures in the process.
Mike Filigenzi
Known for his fashionable hair
8187
Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:43 pm
Sacramento, CA
Cynthia Wenslow wrote:Dale Williams wrote:TCA sensitivity tests
That is exactly what I was going to say, Dale. A man I regularly drink wine with has absolutely no sensitivity to it at all. The rest of us just gaze on him in amazement! When we all agree that a wine is corked, he says things like "It's a little one-dimensional, but other than that it seems ok."
Edited to add: Jenise, you go girl! You're my new role model!
Jenise
FLDG Dishwasher
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:45 pm
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Howie Hart
The Hart of Buffalo
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 4:13 pm
Niagara Falls, NY
Jenise wrote:...and his shtick is that Ganau sterilizes sheets of cork in autoclaves (120 degrees F) to reduce the possibility of TCA to some small number, I believe around 1%....
Jenise
FLDG Dishwasher
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:45 pm
The Pacific Northest Westest
Howie Hart wrote:Jenise wrote:...and his shtick is that Ganau sterilizes sheets of cork in autoclaves (120 degrees F) to reduce the possibility of TCA to some small number, I believe around 1%....
Curious - should that be 120 degrees C?
Andrew Shults
Wine geek
93
Wed Jul 05, 2006 6:32 am
Chicago, Illinois, USA
Jenise wrote:dinner at a local winery
Jenise
FLDG Dishwasher
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:45 pm
The Pacific Northest Westest
Andrew Shults wrote:Jenise wrote:dinner at a local winery
Please, name names. If this winery buys that salesman's propoganda (and inflicts it on their customers), I wouldn't trust them to make a wine worth my money.
Mike Filigenzi
Known for his fashionable hair
8187
Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:43 pm
Sacramento, CA
Jenise wrote:Mike, beware, things can change. I too used to be insensitive to it, then one day that light flashed ON and I've not only become sensitive to it, I often identify it before others do. But it wasn't a gradual process, but a change just from one day to the next so far as I know. I'm sure I'm better off this way, but not neccessarily happier....
Mike B.
Ultra geek
367
Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:56 am
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Dale Williams wrote:Of course, he might be telling the truth re the 2 bottles since 1981. If I was a cork manufacturer I'd give prospective salesmen TCA sensitivity tests, and only hire the grossly insensitive. That way they can defend cork in good conscience.
Hoke wrote:A fellow wine educator, who will remain nameless, is immensely knowledgeable and well-informed about all things wine. This educator, after being paid by the cork industry, publicly defended cork...aggressively so too....on several occasions. The person never once, as far as I know, indicated that this was a paid endorsement, which gave me cause for concern. But what actually concerned me more was....miraculously, all of a sudden (the sudden being the free trip to Portugal and the handsome paycheck), this person was spouting some of the same tired old cliches and apologies and excuses, and engaging in the same old tired dodging and weaving to justify the use of cork, and was actively defaming alternative closures in the process. Painful to see how objectivity can be so easily compromised, and the person being compromised doesn't even seem to be aware of it [emphasis mine].
David M. Bueker
Childless Cat Dad
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
DrEdwardo wrote:Hoke wrote:A fellow wine educator, who will remain nameless, is immensely knowledgeable and well-informed about all things wine. This educator, after being paid by the cork industry, publicly defended cork...aggressively so too....on several occasions. The person never once, as far as I know, indicated that this was a paid endorsement, which gave me cause for concern. But what actually concerned me more was....miraculously, all of a sudden (the sudden being the free trip to Portugal and the handsome paycheck), this person was spouting some of the same tired old cliches and apologies and excuses, and engaging in the same old tired dodging and weaving to justify the use of cork, and was actively defaming alternative closures in the process. Painful to see how objectivity can be so easily compromised, and the person being compromised doesn't even seem to be aware of it [emphasis mine].
I can't believe this troll went unanswered by this wine educator! Either he is unaware of this post or is showing extreme discretion (which may be why he has been around for such a long time and is still so well respected).
Had a similar post been made in a certain other forum I am sure the thread would have been shut down in under 19 hours and the poster banned!
Edwardo
Randy R wrote:(to no one in particular)
What was that movie about the guy (Jack Black) who thought his new girlfriend looked like Gwyneth Paltrow but she was actually... not. If one can't detect TSA, maybe it means that all wines are great for you to enjoy I'm not sure I have any detection capability at all. I don't recall the last time anyone sent a wine back (or said "corked" at a private tasting).
So how do you learn about this, being as you would need to taste corked and non corked bottles of the same wine? [emphasis mine]
Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
11420
Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
DrEdwardo wrote:Hoke wrote:A fellow wine educator, who will remain nameless, is immensely knowledgeable and well-informed about all things wine. This educator, after being paid by the cork industry, publicly defended cork...aggressively so too....on several occasions. The person never once, as far as I know, indicated that this was a paid endorsement, which gave me cause for concern. But what actually concerned me more was....miraculously, all of a sudden (the sudden being the free trip to Portugal and the handsome paycheck), this person was spouting some of the same tired old cliches and apologies and excuses, and engaging in the same old tired dodging and weaving to justify the use of cork, and was actively defaming alternative closures in the process. Painful to see how objectivity can be so easily compromised, and the person being compromised doesn't even seem to be aware of it [emphasis mine].
I can't believe this troll went unanswered by this wine educator! Either he is unaware of this post or is showing extreme discretion (which may be why he has been around for such a long time and is still so well respected).
Had a similar post been made in a certain other forum I am sure the thread would have been shut down in under 19 hours and the poster banned!
Edwardo
Bill Spohn
He put the 'bar' in 'barrister'
9838
Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:31 pm
Vancouver BC
David M. Bueker wrote:So DrEdwardo, as the new forum arbitor of all things right and just (in your first post no less) thanks for coming in and judging this to be less of a police state than that other forum. We appreciate it, and are glad of the apparent difference.
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