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TomHill wrote:He cites some recent work on wine left in partially opened btls over several days times. The changes observed are not the result of oxidation processes (production of acetaldhyde even over several week's time, browning in color, precipitation of polyphenolics, etc) but merely the loss of aromatic compounds, as measured by instruments. This is something I've long claimed, that the changes in wine from so-called "breathing" are the evaporation of volatiles into the air and not the product of oxidation reactions.
David Creighton
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Robin Garr wrote:
But ... but ... {spluttering} ... whence that funky nutty Sherrylike character that starts turning up in wine after a few days, then? That description has always been a sure signal of oxidation to me.
I can buy the evaporation of volatiles effect and might even argue that this effect is to blame for "improving" some modern-style fruit bombs over a day or two in an open bottle. But no oxidation? Not that this is rigorous science, but that sure seems counter-intuitive to me.
TomHill wrote: This is something I've long claimed, that the changes in wine from so-called "breathing" are the evaporation of volatiles into the air and not the product of oxidation reactions. He cites VernSingleton's statement that wine has an extraordinary ability to absorb oxygen w/o showing signs of oxidation.
TomHill wrote:Mark,
Not a quibble at all....I fully agree that it's not a monolithic process and the oxidation of some of the components in the wine will be much more rapid than other components. But the oxidation of alcohol to acetaldhyde I think is pretty slow. I'd guess the rapidly oxidizing components are not so sensorally significant.
Tom
Mark Lipton wrote:Yup, the oxidation of ethanol to acetaldehyde as mediated by oxygen is slow enough to be measured with a half-life of decades, I'd guess. However, if you think that thiol oxidation isn't sensorally signficant, I've got some skunk juice I'd like you to sample
So...it must say "Coturri" on the label???
More seriously, thiol oxidation carried out by the dissolved oxygen in the coffee is what leads to the familiar smell of fresh-brewed coffee. (That's why coffee is best when brewed with cold water brought near to, but not to, boiling: it maximizes the amount of dissolved oxygen)
Mark Lipton
Bob Parsons Alberta. wrote:Tom, have you seen Jamie Goode`s book, "Wine Science"? Great book but one needs time to really read through.
creightond wrote:i don't have my copy with me; but isn't virginia mentioned in another section than dougs? .
TomHill wrote:Bob Parsons Alberta. wrote:Tom, have you seen Jamie Goode`s book, "Wine Science"? Great book but one needs time to really read through.
Yup, Bob...got the book. Only skipped around in it so far, but need to sit down and read it thoroughly yet.
Tom
TomHill wrote:The VA wines were included in the NorthAtlantic Section, a section I just sorta skimmed over.
Tom
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