Grape names with accents

Grape names with accents

Following on from Sue’s dissertation on the word Gewurztraminer I have found this list of names that have accents. It may not be exhaustive.

Does anyone know if any are in the same boat as Gewurztraminer in that the umlaut is used on the German version and not on the French. (I am too lazy to do the research).

And after doing a preview I find that some of the accent characters do not display on my computer. What is needed to display all accents? Is it forum dependent perhaps?

Vitis vinifera
Red grapes
Alvarelhão
Băbească Neagră
Blauer Portugieser / Kékoportó
Blaufränkisch / Lemberger / Kékfrankos / Gamé
Carignan / Carignane / Cariñena / Carignano /Mazuelo
Carménère
Dobričić
Fetească Neagră
Mourvèdre / Monastrell / Mataro
Négrette
Refosco / Refošk
Sousão
Tinta Cão
Touriga Nacional / Azal Espanhol / Preto de Mortágua
Valdiguié
Zinfandel / Crljenak Kaštelanski / Primitivo

White grapes
Airén / Valdepeñas
Albariño / Alvarinho = Cainho Branco
Aligoté
Bogdanuša
Ezerjó
Fetească Albă / Fetiaska = Leànyka
Fetească Regală
Gewürztraminer = Tramini
Grüner Veltliner
Hárslevelű
Huxelrebe = Weisser Gutedel = Courtillier Musqué
Izsáki Sarfehér
Krstač
Macabeo / Macabeu = Alcañón = Viura
Maria Gomes = Fernão Pires
Müller-Thurgau = Rivaner
Muscat of Alexandria = Moscatell / Moscatel de Málaga, de Setúbal
Parč
Pedro Ximénez = Alamís
Pinot Grigio / Pinot Gris
variant: Szürkebarát
Schönburger
Sémillon
Silvaner / Sylvaner = Österreicher
Torrontés
Viura / Macabeo / Macabeu /Alcañón
Würzer
Zéta

Source: Wikikpedia List of Grape Varieties

while I realize that Grüner or Gruener are technically correct, I tend to use Gruner. And drink wines from Donhoff, Egon Muller, & Meo-Camuzet. I used to try and use accents, but then often couldn't find my results in search (or had to do separate searches for Méo and Meo). When I write notes, I post here and on Usenet, and the latter is really bad re consistent reading of characters. So now I just do the ugly American thing.

But if you do want to post accents correctly, Allchars is one of the all time great free programs.

Whether they show or not on someone's display depends on the software displaying them (and the software they pass through, if any busybody human editor is involved) but if you do use them, they'll show up on many people's screens. (If they don't show up on yours, you'll miss part of the following because it uses them.)

A quick cut-paste template of common European accented letters is handy (you don't need a site, rule, shortcut key, or clever software):

á à ä â Å ç è é ê ë ï ö ô ü û ñ and ß
[Last one formally obsolete in Germany for several years. Alas.]

I also maintain a (rather larger) data base of accented words used at least once, i.e., a specialized dictionary -- saving time. I'm always adding words to computer dictionaries anyway -- Microsoft doesn't currently have "diaeresis" for instance, below (or even "Alsatians," when I first used the word with Microsoft software -- the online dic. suggested "Alaskans" -- such cases are many).

Even in English, some vowel situations are traditionally accented (the diaeresis in coördinate is fully obsolete in US while that in naïve is not, for some reason -- Microsoft's dictionary included; Brontë can't be, because it's a name). Aside from unusual cases like those and the one Neil gave (multinational Gewürztraminer -- I've a US relative who pronounced it ge-WURTS-a-meener, if that adds anything), accented spellings are standardized, just part of spellings. Observing them shows respect for languages other than your own, just as people in those languages take trouble to spell things in English. It's all the same thing.

Once you use any accented word once on a computer, the work is done -- you can can look it up again if you save your own writing. (Or collect them in one place, as here.)

Addendum: Watch out about errors if you post on this stuff because people thrill to jump on mistakes. I once carelessly posted about "Habañero" peppers. Instantly forgetting any interest in peppers, the local ill-humored fell all over this gaffe, fighting each other over who got there first.

Vitis vinifera needs an accent? That's news to me. It's scientific Neo-Latin. No accent needed, to the best of my knowledge.

-Paul W.

Vitis vinifera is a heading and does not have an accent. I can see all of Max's accents, and I can see all of the ones I have copied on Wikipedia and in MS Word, so it must be a forum/website based thing that stops them displaying.

Ah, I missed the heading thing. Would have been more apparent if the headings had been bolded or underlined or italic.

I, too, see all the accents. It must be a browser configuration issue (can't be the WLDG server, or I wouldn't see them).

Mind you, I don't have any convenient way to enter accented Roman alphabetic characters myself, so I usually omit the accents and other diacritical marks.

-Paul W.

Pressing Alt and entering a code on the numeric keypad

Randy, I am not quite sure what you mean by "code"?

Pressing Alt and entering a code on the numeric keypad

Randy, I am not quite sure what you mean by "code"?

Bob, if you look at the link in Randy's post it is clearly explained.

Re: Carmenère -

The correct FRENCH spelling for this variety is as above.

However, my local wine merchant's French language list I note that the word is written without accent, probably because it concerns a Chilean wine. I think that this is correct practice even for the pedantic, i.e. use the spelling of the country from where the wine is produced, for example for Chilean Carmenere and Alsatian Gewurztraminer.

Note that in French, if capital letters are being used, there are no accents. (My AZERTY keyboard has no facility for putting them on capitals except for the circumflex and umlaut.) But this rule is frequently ignored in practice for avoidance of ambiguity, as can be seen on sign boards all round France.

Thanks for the link Randy!
Bob the “code” is the series of numbers under the symbol.

Salute

Thanks for that Randy.

My frustration of not knowing how to do a Euro sign is now removed. And I can put illegal accents on French capital letters.

Apologies for jumping in once again.

Three important German synonyms occur to me. I think that these are correct translations but please correct me if I am wrong?

Spätburgunder = Blauburgunder = Pinot noir
Grauburgunder = Pinot gris = Pinot Grigio
Weissburgunder = Pinot blanc

There is also a Rülander. Is this another synonym for Pinot gris.

Tim,

Yes, Ruländer (note umlaut on ä not on ü) is a German synonym used mostly for more 'traditional' sweeter styles of Pinot Gris, whereas Grauburgunder tends to be the name used for the dryer styles - these are not set-in-stone regulations, though.

Wink

á à ä â Å ç è é ê ë ï ö ô ü û ñ and ß
[Last one formally obsolete in Germany for several years. Alas.]

I refuse to stop using ‘ß’. It hasn't completely disappeared after the grammar reforms. Much of the populace still uses it in handwriting, which is perhaps even more at risk of becoming obsolete.

-Bill Hööper

Tim, just try to see if 'Alt Gr' plus the numeral 4 key on the top line, pressed together, produces the € symbol.

Thanks Peter, I did not see that. Much appreciated, seasons greetings to you in St. Orbens.

Randy,

Yes, I do run Windows, and I'm aware of the ALT-nnn encodings, but frankly I can't be bothered to keep the table handy when I'm composing messages. MS Word and other applications let you use control keys (CTRL, ALT, ESC, and the like) along with the desired diacritical mark, to compose a letter with a diacritical. Much more intuitive and convenient than the generic Windows ALT codes.

I don't consider this an important enough issue to bother to keep the table of ALT encodings handy.

-Paul W.

á à ä â Å ç è é ê ë ï ö ô ü û ñ and ß
[Last one formally obsolete in Germany for several years. Alas.]

Not obsolete at all, Max. It's just that in the last revision of German orthography they decided to be consisent with regard to the use of single and double consonants (ß vs. ss). Basically, a double consonant following a vowel indicates that the vowel is short. Words such as muß, daß, and floß where the ß had been preserved for historical reasons are now written as muss, dass, floss. After a long vowel or diphthong you still use ß, e.g. fließen, groß, Strauß, grüßen. Of course, there are a few other twists, but you can find them all here: Regeln und Wörterverzeichnis Entsprechend den Empfehlungen des Rats für deutsche Rechtschreibung Überarbeitete Fassung des amtlichen Regelwerks 2004.

Na dann, Prost!

MS Word and other applications let you use control keys (CTRL, ALT, ESC, and the like) along with the desired diacritical mark, to compose a letter with a diacritical. Much more intuitive and convenient than the generic Windows ALT codes

Yes exactly. That's what I do with Windows (CTRL-: before the letter for an umlaut on it, for instance). There are far too many trivial things worth remembering to bother with something serious like ALT codes, dammit!
BUT if anyone caught my drift above -- you also now have a public cut-and-paste table of characters you can get from anywhere in the world. It's this thread. (No tools, codes, memorizations, software, &c, &c.)

"ß formally obsolete" It's just that in the last revision of German orthography they decided to be consisent ...

What? Spelling consistent in German?? Unglaublich. Phantastisch. Anyway Gary, (1) it was scholarly friends at a local university who mentioned a particular standard, I'll see if I can find out -- I half expect a DIN -- there's one for business letter layout, DIN5008 (I've violated it); (2) Rest assured, I was not about to stop using that character (I'm outside their legal jurisdiction).

First figure: "Trsn ... Tschsn ... Tznrn ...Trzésniewski!"
Second figure: "Gesundheit."
Trzésniewski Buffet

Last time I was in Hamburg, they certainly weren't adverse to using ß in their street signs.

How long has ß been officially deprecated?

-Paul W.

How long has ß been officially deprecated?

Just that question is sub judice now. Will testify later.

Anyway it'd be like that elimination of the letter "Y" they did in the Netherlands several years ago. They don't go around changing existing signage or history. (That's more the domain of people like Yezhov and Beria and certain modern cults -- people who like to use airbrushes to remove unpersons from photographs. Compare David King's The Commissar Vanishes, an unusual coffee-table book. ISBN 0805052941)

How long has ß been officially deprecated?

Paul, the ß has not been deprecated. They've just aligned its usage with that of the other consonants. Again, the basic rule is that a single consonant indicates that the preceding vowel is long, whereas a double consonant indicates that the preceding vowel is short. (There are still exceptions and a few other rules which don't need to be discussed here.)

ß, (scharfes s), is considered a single consonant and ss is its doubled counterpart. In the old orthography ß still showed up as an exception to be memorized preceding short vowels, e.g. muß which now must be written muss. The same goes for daß/dass, floß/floss etc. If, however, you can't type an ß, then ss is OK, but that's the way it's always been just like adding an e after a, o, u if you can't type an umlaut.

These and other long debated changes were introduced in '04, taught in schools since August '06 as optional, and then in August '07 became binding. There are tweaks for other German-speaking countries outside the FRG.

The whole thing is laid out here: Deutsche Rechtschreibung, if you want to plough through it. And there are quite a few other places on the web where the changes are catalogued and explained. Just type in deutsche Rechtschreibung.

So, just keep on using that good old ß, just use it in the right places.

If you are using MS Word another way of not having to key the accents is to use the Auto Correct feature. I have set up gw to be corrected to Gewurztraminer, but without the accent, because I couldn't be bothered to set it up that way. Maybe I now need to have the gwu string entered to include the umlout u.

If you are using MS Word another way of not having to key the accents is to use the Auto Correct feature. I have set up gw to be corrected to Gewurztraminer, but without the accent, because I couldn't be bothered to set it up that way. Maybe I now need to have the gwu string entered to include the umlout u.

Neil, it's been noted above, but the absolute easiest way to create most of these characters is with the little program at AllChars for Windows. You tap Ctrl and then the appropriate character combination and the modifed character appears. There's no need to remember ASCII codes etc. and so on. The neat thing about this little add-on is that you can type these characters anywhere, e.g. in Outlook, Word, search engine etc.