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Re: Benchmarkwine Spam

by Dale Williams » Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:14 pm

Clark,
I think that the kind of unsolicted email that is clogging the system is true spam- untargeted, indiscriminate email. When I get wine emails (whether from Nat Decants, a retailer, or whatever), I figure that it is targeted, even if I didn't ask for it.
I've always assumed that the emails for Viagra, penile enlargement, debt consolidation, work from home, replica watches, or from folks in foreign countries who need my help transferring millions of dollars were true spam.
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Re: Benchmarkwine Spam

by Dale Williams » Sun Dec 30, 2007 11:44 am

Randy,
I'd call neither of those spam. I'd call them irritating, obnoxious, and bad business, but not spam. I realize I'm fighting a losing battle here, everybody just calls all commercial emails spam, but the term was based on its unsolicited indiscriminate nature. The most famous early case wasn't email, but the Green Card ads on Usenet newsgroups. The commercial nature wasn't the issue (that would have been a smaller fight if they were posting to immigration fora), but the fact is was posted on every available forum - wine, pets, kinky sex, British history, etc. The email form of this - where spammers sent millions of emails to every email they can harvest (or in some cases based on just common combinations of letters/names added to a domain name) is what drowns the system.

Assuming Peter didn't sign up with Benchmark, Brentwood, or their affiliates, it is likely they bought a "wine" list from a marketeer. As they say "you signed up", that makes them dishonest and is certainly a mark against them. But I was just pointing out that targeted lists are NOT what is straining the infrastructure, and I doubt seriously one could find any internet professional who would take that stance.
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Re: Benchmarkwine Spam

by David M. Bueker » Sun Dec 30, 2007 11:46 am

In the grand scheme of things aren't we taking some e-mails a little too seriously?
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Re: Benchmarkwine Spam

by Kevin O'Connell » Sun Dec 30, 2007 1:18 pm

Don't get mad, get even. I drove one wine spammer pretty barmy a couple of years ago, he actually considered himself a victim.
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Re: Benchmarkwine Spam

by David M. Bueker » Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:24 pm

I think I'll buy wine from Benchmark (I have in the past) just to irritate everyone. :twisted: :wink:
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Re: Benchmarkwine Spam

by Kevin O'Connell » Sun Dec 30, 2007 3:42 pm

David M. Bueker wrote:I think I'll buy wine from Benchmark (I have in the past) just to irritate everyone. :twisted: :wink:
They haven't spammed me yet. :cry:
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Re: Benchmarkwine Spam

by David M. Bueker » Sun Dec 30, 2007 3:50 pm

Kevin O'Connell wrote:
David M. Bueker wrote:I think I'll buy wine from Benchmark (I have in the past) just to irritate everyone. :twisted: :wink:
They haven't spammed me yet. :cry:


I could arrange it. :wink:

Actually they do have good stuff sometimes.
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