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by Nathan Smyth » Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:26 pm

Massive fruit. Elegant mouthfeel [especially the midpalate in the bottle of Cabernet which had seen air]. 100% new French oak, but, by and large, the fruit is so big that it seems able to absorb the oak with ease.

Very impressive list of vineyard sources for a couple of relative newcomers: Beckstoffer To Kalon, Beckstoffer Dr. Crane, Farella, and a super secret source which shall not be named*.

I was particularly enamored of the strong, unmistakeable Petit Verdot profile in the blends - especially the 2005 Tempest [18% Petit Verdot]. Apparently Petit Verdot is the most expensive varietal in Napa - I guess that everyone was in such a rush to plant Cabernet & Merlot that they forgot to devote any vineyard space to PV. Beginning in 2005, their PV source is Beckstoffer Dr Crane [it had been David Bruce prior to that].

I liked the PV notes so much that I asked them whether they had considered bottling a single-varietal PV, and they said that they have an über-high-end blend coming out in a few months, called "Absurd", which will be 40% Petit Verdot, 40% Cabernet, and 20% Merlot. It will be sold in three-packs, with numbered bottles, and some fancy artwork on the label which sounds reminiscent of Mouton.

The wines see 17 to 19 months in barrel [100% new French oak, as above], and about another year in bottle before they're released.

With two of the wines, I was fortunate to taste out of two different bottles [i.e. a total of four bottles], one bottle having been opened 24 hours prior, and the other bottle opened as I stood there watching. In each case, there was substantial improvement in the wines which had seen a day's worth of air.

2005 is the current release, and has big points from RMP. I joked with them that if their accountant knew anything about points, then he'd order them to raise prices by 50%.

They're very high on the 2006 vintage, but yields are way, way down. For instance, their Beckstoffer Dr Crane Cabernet is plunging from 558 cases in 2005, to a mere 220 cases in 2006, yet they are determined to hold the line on prices [which, obviously, would require an enormous financial sacrifice on their part].

In 2008, they are hoping to finally get their hands on some Diamond Mountain fruit [elevation 2000+ feet]. They've been waiting something like 6 years to land that contract, and are very excited about it. [To date, their highest elevation has been Ferella, at about 400 feet.]

At this time, there is no plan to branch out into Rhône varietals - they will be pursuing strictly Bordeaux varietals & Bordeaux blends for now.

And get this - 100% of the barrels which don't make the cut are sold off in bulk [i.e. no second labels]. And if I understood them correctly, they do a single-berry selection after the cluster selections & the destemming [how they can do that and keep the wines below $100 is beyond me].

Anyway, knowing what I know about the Napa market, at $65-$95 for the mainstream wines ["Absurd" will be a little higher, owning to the expense of the Petit Verdot & the boxes & the artwork - no doubt], these are very aggressive prices.

Business model is mostly direct sales to the mailing list, with some sales to restaurants - they are leery of selling at retail for fear that the cherry pickers will monopolize the juice, and real people will never have a chance to taste it.

And, to top it all off, there MIGHT still be a few openings on the mailing list [although I am sure that the mailing list will shut down hard after Frankie Lemmon tonight, and the release party in New York this week]:







*PS: Although I have to admit - I never knew that you pronounced the "x" in "Moueix".
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by Florida Jim » Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:42 pm

Nathan,
Mike and Juan are great guys but these wines thrill me not at all. To my palate, they are overoaked, milk-shakes. And yes, I've had all of the bottlings.
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Wouldn't do me any good to get on the list, since they wouldn't be able to ship to Oklahoma anyway. :(
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by Nathan Smyth » Mon Feb 11, 2008 1:39 pm

Florida Jim wrote:To my palate, they are overoaked, milk-shakes. And yes, I've had all of the bottlings.


Well, I was thinking about paraphrasing John Travolta, and pointing out that milkshakes taste goooood...

But then I got to thinking that Petit Verdot doesn't taste anything like a milkshake.

Or even a root beer float.

And then I got to wondering which I would like best - a milkshake, a root beer float, or a great Petit Verdot. In the end, it would definitely come down to root beer float -vs- Petit Verdot, but at that point I would be torn between getting drunk or getting fat [which is to say - getting even fatter than I am already].

Anyway, these wines have passed all the tests which I can throw at them - they have magnificent fruit, they blossom on Day Two, they're aggressively priced [vis-a-vis their peers], and they're exceptionally yummy - so they now have the official seal of approval from the North American Petit Verdot Connoisseurs' Association [NAPVCA™ - a 501(c)(3) incorporated in Upper Gondwanaland].
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by JC (NC) » Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:26 pm

I tasted the 2004 and 2005 Tempest blends and the third wine they were pouring (the 2005 Beckstoffer Dr. Crane Vineyard Cabernet Sauvignon.) My favorite was the 2005 Tempest and at $65 I would consider ordering it. Those that were upwards of $100--no. A real treat to taste but way beyond my budget was the 2004 Bob Foley Claret at the Seaboard tasting. Elegant and not harsh. Lovely juice but at $135 a bottle I had to pass. I did buy a bottle of Steele DuPratt Vineyard Zinfandel, Mendocino Ridge and had Jed Steele sign it (under $30 for that one.) Jed was also offering tastings of a Chardonnay, a Blau Franc (Lemberger) and a bubbly Shiraz.
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by Nathan Smyth » Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:27 pm

JC (NC) wrote:A real treat to taste but way beyond my budget was the 2004 Bob Foley Claret at the Seaboard tasting.

Wow - you were busy.

I had intended to try to get over there and see Foley & Steele, but I was so stunned by what I was tasting from Realm that I kinda forget about them.
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by Nathan Smyth » Fri Feb 29, 2008 10:53 pm

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Anyway, knowing what I know about the Napa market, at $65-$95... these are very aggressive prices.

Barring a collapse in the economy, this might be the last chance anyone has to see Beckstoffer To Kalon under $100:

2007 Napa Cabernet--$37,301.59 per Ton
http://dat.erobertparker.com/bboard/showthread.php?t=161767

As I understand it, the Spring mailing list offer closes tonight.
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by Paul Winalski » Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:09 pm

Nathan Smyth wrote:[Barring a collapse in the economy, this might be the last chance anyone has to see Beckstoffer To Kalon under $100


Thanks but no thanks. I have better things to do with my money. And my palate.

Let me know when they cut down all the eucalyptus trees in Napa and Sonoma, and then we'll talk. :shock:

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by David M. Bueker » Sat Mar 01, 2008 11:57 am

But Paul - more expensive wine taste better. Everyone knows that! :twisted:

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by Jenise » Sat Mar 01, 2008 12:32 pm

Nathan:
knowing what I know about the Napa market, at $65-$95 for the mainstream wines


But you won't spend more than $20 on Bordeaux.
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by Nathan Smyth » Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:39 pm

I told you so:

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by Leanne S » Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:46 pm

Paul Winalski wrote:
Let me know when they cut down all the eucalyptus trees in Napa and Sonoma, and then we'll talk. :shock:

-Paul W.


Why are you waiting for all the eucalyptus trees to be cut down? I'm new here, I guess this is an ongoing discussion?
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by Robin Garr » Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:50 pm

Nathan Smyth wrote:I told you so:

Realm and Colgin Score Big in WS
http://dat.erobertparker.com/bboard/showthread.php?t=175749

Are we in WLDG? It feels eerily as if I have accidentally stumbled into one of those other forums ...
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by David M. Bueker » Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:23 pm

Actually it feels like we've stumbled into two of them. Look! Spock has a beard!

Nathan - nobody cares. Not to mention check your fly as your double standard is showing again.

Leanne - it's just a little back and forth we have with one of our more wayward members once in a while. Move along. Nothing to see here. :wink:
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by Jenise » Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:39 pm

Leanne S wrote:Why are you waiting for all the eucalyptus trees to be cut down? I'm new here, I guess this is an ongoing discussion?


Leanne, some believe that the eucalyptus trees in the Napa Valley mulch into the soil and give some/many Napa wines flavors ranging from mint to menthol, depending on who's tasting and talking. Paul is one who dislikes that characteristic, I'm someone who loves it. There's no right or wrong, just different strokes and all that.

FWIW, I've had cabernets with mint and menthol that were grown nowhere near eucalyptus trees, so while I can imagine that eucalyptus trees would add a certain character, there seems to be something else that can this character.

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by Leanne S » Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:35 pm

Thanks, Jenise.
There are people who want to cut down eucalyptus just because they're tired of being colonized by them Aussies.

Eucalyptus mulch in the soil seems iffy, but I remember someone at Cline saying that Eucalyptus pollen settles on the leaves and grapes in some vineyards and then the flavor is really in there.
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by Jenise » Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:54 pm

Leanne S wrote:There are people who want to cut down eucalyptus just because they're tired of being colonized by them Aussies.


WHAT??? Must be the nouveau riche arrivees who move to a place for it's laconic beauty and then want to change everything to suit their idea of paradise. Like the people who bought houses near airports and then fight to close them when air traffic increases, like it wasn't going to get more crowded. :roll:

I grew up in Southern California in an area of hillsides already well populated with eucalyptus and olive trees. They were quite beautiful.
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by Brian K Miller » Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:59 pm

Well...there are legitmate reasons to remove eucalyptus. They can basically be described as tall "oil bombs" ready to explode during the next dry spell.

Of course...I question the correctness of people living in these dangerously fire-prone pseudo-rural areas (especially the ones who complain that fire departments don't do enough to "save our (McMansions)")

Sorry...Pet peeve. I know nobody is forced to be a firefighter, and many people find living in rural canyons appealing, but all this rural sprawling development means, among other things, that forests can never be managed or allowed to burn naturally -
and we then get firestorms that sterilize everything.
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by Robin Garr » Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:34 pm

Leanne S wrote:Eucalyptus mulch in the soil seems iffy, but I remember someone at Cline saying that Eucalyptus pollen settles on the leaves and grapes in some vineyards and then the flavor is really in there.

That's the version I have always heard too, Leanne. It makes some intuitive sense, since you can see the eucalyptus trees lining some of the Napa vineyards.

(I don't know if this is perhaps sheer imagination, by the way, but I tend to find "eucalyptus" a lot in Napa Cabs - and like it in moderation - but "menthol" in Barossa Shiraz, where I almost invariably dislike it. Go figure.)

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