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London VDP Tasting: No Botrytis in the Kabinetts!

by Rahsaan » Thu Jun 12, 2008 2:34 pm

Once again it was a fun afternoon filled with riesling, good cheer, and chatting.

I didn’t get around to everyone, and I couldn’t taste everything with enough attention to form a solid opinion. But, of what I did taste and formed an opinion of...

My favorites were probably Reinhold Haart, von Hövel, Egon Müller, and Karthäuserhof.

Haart’s Goldtropfchens in particular (especially the spätlese) had great fresh acidity, plenty of plump fruit, and were lovely lively balanced versions of what these wines could be.

Von Hövel and Müller obviously spoke much more of the Saar and I absolutely adored the delicate light touch to the Hütte wines. Such bracing acidity, such verve, so fine. Not that there wasn’t plenty of succulence in the Auslese * and the Auslese **.

Müller’s wines are Müller, so they usually taste good. And I’ve seen some negative reports on the 07 Scharzhofberger Spätlese but that was not on display. Instead, the kabinett, auslese, and auslese goldkap all had such zest, grip, and balance. Nice to see the purity and not have to worry about botrytis in the kabinett!

Tyrell started off the session by claiming it was his best ever vintage at Karthäuserhof, which I was prone to disregard as hyperbole. But, the wines were consistently very fine, from the kabinett trocken to the auslese, so precise, so fine, in a linear style that was restrained on the sweetness, generous with the tactile excitement, and anything but boring. Full of life. Nice work.

Of course there was good work from Dönnhoff, Fritz Haag, Willi Haag, JJ Prüm, Zilliken, von Kesselstatt, and von Othegraven.

The Dönnhoff wines always strike me as ethereal, elegant, very light in touch, and beautifully balanced, but I never drink enough to form solid opinions about them. (I’m basically a sucker for Ruwer and Saar acidity).

I actually liked the Willi Haag lineup better than Fritz Haag, as the Fritz Haag wines seemed to be lacking a bit of electricity. But, that could easily have been because the Fritz Haag wines were served too warm as they had all the right components and should be wonderful wines going forward.

Prüm brought a bunch of 04, 05, and 06 Wehlener Sonnenuhr, which were so fine and delicate as always. The 04 wines in particular were a treat and reminded me that the verdant cucumber flavors I first loved in German riesling do still exist. These were also very instructional for a friend who doesn’t drink much German riesling, to show him how delicate the wines can be.

Zilliken wines were excellent and great fun (especially the 03 Saarburger Rausch Auction TBA that I will probably never taste again), but for my own palate I preferred von Hövel for a Saar fix. The Zilliken wines seemed to have more stuffing and were rounder than the Hütte wines (although they were hardly soft, they had plenty of balancing acidity, and they were very fine in their own right). So these were lovely wines that I would be happy to drink, but the particular bracing and refreshing style of the Hüttes grabbed me more. You may think differently.



A nice mix at von Kesselstatt and I had heard their dessert wines were amazing but none were on display. I was not moved by the Josephshöfer wines, but the Scharzhofberger kabinett was an absolute dream. So fine, so fresh, great grip, and sure to be well-priced.

I wasn’t moved by the Ockfener Bockstein wines at von Othegraven but the Kanzem Altenberg wines were a treat, brisk Saar acidity, good balanced fruit. If there weren’t so many wines in the world I would probably consider buying some of these.

Of the rest, I probably didn’t spend enough time with the Lieser wines, as they were very attractive and would be worth drinking, but somehow they didn’t speak to me under these circumstances. Who knows why.

Clemens Busch was interesting because the day before I had tried the 2006 Pündericher Marienburg Spätlese *** trocken and the 2006 vom Roten Schiefer, both of which had been lovely fine firm elegant mineral examples of restrained riesling that I really wanted to purchase. However, here at the VDP the 07 wines were a more exaggerated example of pushing the ripeness as far as it could go and then fermenting to dry. The 07 Spätlese trocken, the 06 Felsterasse, the 07 Spätlese and the 07 Auslese all tasted like they were rich alcoholic super-pradikat wines, clunky, out of balance, and hard to drink. Apparently the 2007 Pündericher Marienburg Spätlese *** trocken and the 2007 vom Roten Schiefer are still fermenting. Maybe they will show a lighter touch when they finish?

Never been a big fan of Loosen, and this tasting did nothing to change that, although of course the 2007 Erdener Prälat Auslese was drinkable.

Probably didn’t spend enough time with Thanisch but I found the lower pradikat wines a bit ho-hum (maybe the Badstube spätlese was drinkable, I don’t know), and then of course the higher level Doctor wines had their charms, if one wants to pay. Which I don’t, for these.

Also could have spent more time with St. Urbans-Hof, as the wines appeared to be very nice, gentle, and worth drinking, although they didn’t speak to me.

Spent a lot of time at Van Volxem, mainly because Roman had so much to say. I thought the 2007 Saar riesling and the 2007 Alte Reben riesling were both lovely and worth drinking, fresh, direct, stylish wines. He didn’t have many higher level wines available because they are still fermenting and the barrel samples of Scharzhofberger and Rotschiefer were tough to evaluate.

All in all, a fun day, I don’t need to ‚evaluate’ the vintage, but there were plenty of wines available for drinking and I was especially glad to see no botrytis in the kabinetts.
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Re: London VDP Tasting: No Botrytis in the Kabinetts!

by Anders Källberg » Thu Jun 12, 2008 3:48 pm

Great report, Rahsaan, thank you! It seems like your impressions were not far from mine, except in minor points.
Rahsaan wrote:Spent a lot of time at van Voxelm, mainly because Roman had so much to say.

Isn't it lovely just to hang around listening to this kind of devoted persons?
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by Rahsaan » Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:50 pm

Anders Källberg wrote:Isn't it lovely just to hang around listening to this kind of devoted persons?
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Sort of. There was a bit of the Polished Salesman about him, which is fine, but perhaps I just needed more time to cut through that. He did seem to have a lot of passion, which was exciting, even if his style is not my favorite.
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by Anders Källberg » Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:10 am

Rahsaan wrote:There was a bit of the Polished Salesman about him, which is fine, but perhaps I just needed more time to cut through that. He did seem to have a lot of passion, which was exciting, even if his style is not my favorite.

At first I read "Polish Salesman"... :lol:
I guess that since I, being more of a trocken man, sincerely liked the style of his wines, I also found more pleasure to talk (and listen) to him.
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by Peter Ruhrberg » Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:28 am

Thanks Rahsaan. The more I read about 07, the less I believe there will be a consensus on anything about the vintage...
On Theo Haart: I'm curious about the approachabilioty of the wines at this early stage. They bottled earlier than usual. The wines are less reduced, but look very good to me anyway. I would like to hear Theo's views on 07. Remeber 03? Haarts wines were totally unapproachable as young wines. He was almost afraid to show them. But he knew what he was doing - they are now pretty much the best 03s around.

Roman like to talk, doesn't he? But if the wines deserve the attribute "fresh", than something must have changed. Last year, his new buzz word was "elegance". Should we have hope again? Maybe economics is forcing him into the right direction...

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by Rahsaan » Fri Jun 13, 2008 5:41 am

Peter Ruhrberg wrote:I would like to hear Theo's views on 07. Remeber 03? Haarts wines were totally unapproachable as young wines. He was almost afraid to show them. But he knew what he was doing - they are now pretty much the best 03s around.


He seemed positive to me, but, I guess he had to be, it was all just idle chatter. I'm sure you're right about the 03s, although I must admit I did not think the 03 Goldtropfchen spätlese was showing very well earlier this week. It seemed a bit dull, although I could also have just missed the boat.

Roman like to talk, doesn't he? But if the wines deserve the attribute "fresh", than something must have changed. Last year, his new buzz word was "elegance". Should we have hope again? Maybe economics is forcing him into the right direction...


Oh he was still talking about picking late (while avoiding botrytis), so I'm sure his top wines are still forceful. It was just those two 'low level' Saar bottlings that were relatively fresh and perhaps as such were "reflecting the vintage" :D
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by Wink Lorch » Fri Jun 13, 2008 7:11 am

There's been a lot of posts about the Grosser Ring VDP tastings in various places and about the 2007 vintage and I'm not sure which to respond to, but I'm really impressed by the tasting notes and interesting comments that Rahsaan and others have produced.

I was at the Trier tasting, but have not recently tasted much German wine (though around 10-15 years ago I was a regular at German tastings, as I presented tastings on Germany frequently), so I don't feel fit to comment specifically on the 2007 vintage, except some general impressions on Mosel wines today as compared with a decade ago. On the one hand, it was a real surprise to me to taste some excellently balanced Trocken wines from Mosel - today there is sufficient ripeness to support these wines, even though I often preferred the 'Feinherb' (a loose term, new to me, that many producers were using instead of Halb-Trocken, but not always meaning halb-trocken). On the other hand, it has become increasingly hard to find those low alcohol (less than 9%) wines that the Mosel used to be so famous for - that's a pity. So on that:

Rahsaan wrote:I was especially glad to see no botrytis in the kabinetts.

Interestingly Erni Loosen sent a note to Jancis (maybe to others too?) which Purple Pagers will have read under 'Inside information'. To summarize - he spoke about the fact that there are fewer and fewer possibilities to make traditional, light kabinetts due to global warming effects and he has launched an estate wine kabinett using grapes from cooler, rather than traditionally highly regarded vineyard sites.

The beneficial effects of global warming for the Saar came up on a day-long press visit I was fortunate to attend, focussed on the Scharzhofberg vineyard - a great day in which we visited the vineyard, experienced the full force of Roman's non-stop talking and energetic philosophies (I quite enjoyed this!) as he effectively hosted the event, also had the chance for a short visit with Egon Müller (during which we drank, not tasted a beautifully rounded glass of Scharzhofberger Spätlese 1988 and a stunning Auslese 1976), and later - unfortunately in the difficult after lunch slot - had the unique opportunity to taste 35 Scharzhofbergers from 7 out of the 8 owners of the vineyard. The person present who is the only one likely to write a full tasting report (sorry my notes are simply not good enough to reproduce) was a German writer Gerhard Eichelmann, so those of you who read German should look out for his magazine in which he will write it up. I've written about meeting the two giants (Roman and Egon) on my blog here (not meant to be a plug, just in case you are interested to read more about the characters).

All in all, what was so refreshing to experience on my short 2 days in Trier and the Saar was the feeling of optimism for the future of fine German Riesling from this area, something that was absolutely not present a decade ago.
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by Rahsaan » Fri Jun 13, 2008 7:19 am

Wink Lorch wrote:had the unique opportunity to taste 35 Scharzhofbergers from 7 out of the 8 owners of the vineyard.


Sounds great. Who were you missing?

Any general conclusions?
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by Wink Lorch » Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:23 am

We tasted from the four largest owners - Egon Müller, Von Kesselstatt, Bischöfliches Weingüter, Van Volxem plus from Vereinigte Hospiten, Von Hövel and Johannes Peters. Who's the missing link? Hmmm, there was discussion about who it might be but our host from 'Moselwein' hadn't realised there was someone else ... and it was obviously someone with a v. small holding - never caught the name, sorry.

Looking at my notes, generalizations are difficult, there were quite a few different styles/vintages present (majority but not all 2007) and the wines were by no means all good - delicacy and elegance are what appears most frequently in my notes of the ones I enjoyed. And, I think that the Auslese style works really well here, no surprise, I guess. Interestingly Bischöfliches Weingüter stood out as the most consistently fine for me across the styles.
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by Rahsaan » Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:37 am

Wink Lorch wrote:And, I think that the Auslese style works really well here, no surprise, I guess..


Interesting. I have read that elsewhere, although on Wednesday Egon Müller said he thought kabinett was his best representation of the vineyard. Didn't get a chance to go into great detail, but he seemed to be saying that it best captured the crisp freshness of the Saar. Although obviously his kabinetts are often a lot more than just crisp and fresh.
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by Martin Barz » Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:36 am

Vielen Dank Rahsaan!

The Van Volxem "Saar Riesling" is a steal for 10 Euro. Clearly there is a stylistic change, already starting with 06, more mineral-driven and
not such creamy, flamboyant fruit anymore.

I will taste 07 Fritz Haag "Brauneberger Juffer Sonnenuhr" Spätlese tonight, as Jean F. was such thrilled about this wine........


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by Rahsaan » Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:44 am

Martin Barz wrote:The Van Volxem "Saar Riesling" is a steal for 10 Euro. Clearly there is a stylistic change, already starting with 06, more mineral-driven and
not such creamy, flamboyant fruit anymore.


Thanks for the info. I didn't know the price and agree that for 10euros such a bottle could be very compelling.

Although if it even gets exported to the US I'm guessing it would cost a lot more..
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Wink Lorch wrote:We tasted from the four largest owners - Egon Müller, Von Kesselstatt, Bischöfliches Weingüter, Van Volxem plus from Vereinigte Hospiten, Von Hövel and Johannes Peters. Who's the missing link? Hmmm, there was discussion about who it might be but our host from 'Moselwein' hadn't realised there was someone else ... and it was obviously someone with a v. small holding - never caught the name, sorry.

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