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WTN Form

by Howie Hart » Mon Jun 30, 2008 3:27 pm

Redwinger's thread about posting WTNs started my mind turning. While there are things like the AWS score sheet for judging a wine, I'm realy not aware of a form for writing a WTN. So, I put together the following, which I could modify the format to takes notes and either print up as a small booklet or modify to work on a Palm Pilot. Some things would simply be to circle the word or add a check box. How does this look? Suggestions for improvement??

Wine Tasting Note

From Label
Name:__________
Appellation:_________
Variety:___________
Vintage:_________
Color: Red White Rose
Type: Table Sparkling Dessert Fortified
ABV:_______%
Price:________

Eye
Clarity:______
Hue:________ (red: purple to brown - white: light straw to deep golden)
Color intensity:_________

Nose
Off odors?___________
Strength:____________ (nothing to intense)
Descriptors:_______________ (fruit?)

Mouth
Sweetness:__________
Acidity:_____________
Tannins:_____________ (oaky, harsh, soft, integrated, ?)
Areas:_______________ (full mouth or specific areas or lacking in areas)
Length of finish:______________
Flavors:_______________

Overall:_____________________________________________________
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Re: WTN Form

by Jim Grow » Mon Jun 30, 2008 3:57 pm

Hi Howie, the form looks good. If res. sugar is listed that should be included with the label data. This form may be just what is needed to make a compilation but I would probably prefer to read TN's on this board in a more free-flowing conversational format. Hope to see you at Mo-Cool. Jim
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Re: WTN Form

by Howie Hart » Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:37 pm

Jim Grow wrote:Hi Howie, the form looks good. If res. sugar is listed that should be included with the label data. This form may be just what is needed to make a compilation but I would probably prefer to read TN's on this board in a more free-flowing conversational format. Hope to see you at Mo-Cool. Jim
I hope to see you there again also. The form is basically a checklist to cover all the aspects of a TN (reminder and to force on to consider all the aspects) and the "Overall" could be considered as a comments section for more descriptive things and impressions, as are often posted here, and could be several lines long. Perhaps a food paring line?
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Re: WTN Form

by Brian K Miller » Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:40 pm

Looks like a good format for those of us who are not as disciplined in our tasting notes (or perhaps even tasting)! :oops:
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Re: WTN Form

by Felix Warners » Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:12 pm

For me a tn is more usefull when I get an idea how something has tasted to you and not how much of each seperated ingredient is in the wine.
If you went to eat at a very good restaurant I'm more interested in the way you thought it was, ambience, how the food tasted and what you ate than the recipe book of the chef.
For own personal use a form like that (your form looks very good) would be very usefull but for a tn online I dont see much use for it.
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Re: WTN Form

by David M. Bueker » Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:27 pm

I think the form is a great way to train oneself to think about all the aspects of a given wine.
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Re: WTN Form

by Jenise » Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:45 pm

Felix Warners wrote:For me a tn is more usefull when I get an idea how something has tasted to you and not how much of each seperated ingredient is in the wine. If you went to eat at a very good restaurant I'm more interested in the way you thought it was, ambience, how the food tasted and what you ate than the recipe book of the chef. For own personal use a form like that (your form looks very good) would be very usefull but for a tn online I dont see much use for it.


Totally agreed. Most of us are really looking for descriptions of the wine's personality that the clinical facts don't capture.

That said, Howie, a form could be useful for a certain type of person. And if you're one of those, there are a couple of things that would make your form more meaningful. Body, for instance: light, med or heavy. And Buy Again, a yes or no question.

About some things that are on your list, I question the value of color. If it's normal and usual for variety/vintage/producer, there's no need to expend the energy writing that down unless you're comparing a lot of wines to each other. I realize it's an area of judging for points and it's a good thing for beginners to learn to pay attention to, but I think it's of little use for wines observed one at a time unless the color's exceptional to standard or when describing a mature wine. I would also advise against your limiting the range of colors. Whites can only be somewhere between light straw and deep golden? What about transparent, green-tinged, apricot, rusted, orange and tawny, just to name a few?

Finish is something else you might want to rethink. Is length meaningful? I mean, I use words like short and long, but they're just two words that might best describe a finish among other choices that would include harsh, astringent, bitter and hot on the bad end of the scale, and harmonious, full, and lush at the other.

Oakiness is something I'd put on a form if I were making one because I need to be reminded to address it. I'd probably be less inclined to use terms that would identify degrees the way one looks at body, and would go for terms that describe the oak's impact on the wine like barely noticeable, moderate, dominant, massive and integrated. Someone else might not need this at all.

Pretty hard, really, to make a one-size-fits all form.
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Re: WTN Form

by Dan Donahue » Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:50 pm

Good form. I grabbed something similar off the net a few years back. It slightly expands on taste to include body, balance and texture and it also has a column for condition of cork (they didn't expect a screwcap), decanting/airing, serving temperature and food matching. I agree that having form helps to fine tune my thinking about the wine, even though I don't use it to write notes.
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Re: WTN Form

by OW Holmes » Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:01 pm

Good form, Howie. It would force discipline - if I had the discipline necessary to use it. If I did, however, I would add "date tasted." In going over my past notes, I find things like "drinking really great right now" but I have no idea when "now" was. If posted for public consumption, I would also add "cellaring conditions" though no one seems to add that to their notes.
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Re: WTN Form

by Florida Jim » Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:56 pm

Howie,
I may have missed something in the background here; what is the proposed purpose of this form? That is, how is it to be used?
Best, Jim
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Re: WTN Form

by Bob Ross » Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:56 pm

Having written 50,000 TNs, Howie, I applaud your suggestion. A couple of additions you might consider: distributor, alcohol level, food matches if relevant.

Good idea. Best, Bob
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Re: WTN Form

by Howie Hart » Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:28 pm

Florida Jim wrote:Howie,
I may have missed something in the background here; what is the proposed purpose of this form? That is, how is it to be used?
Best, Jim
Pretty much as a personal assistant for taking notes, so that you would have all your bases covered. You could then store them in any way you find convenient. If you used this form on a PDA or blackberry, you could simply tranfer it to your computer. If you print out hard copies of the blank form you could assemble them in a 3-ring binder. In addition to what others suggested, the Date and Place/Event might also be worthwhile.
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Re: WTN Form

by Florida Jim » Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:49 pm

Howie Hart wrote:
Florida Jim wrote:Howie,
I may have missed something in the background here; what is the proposed purpose of this form? That is, how is it to be used?
Best, Jim
Pretty much as a personal assistant for taking notes, so that you would have all your bases covered. You could then store them in any way you find convenient. If you used this form on a PDA or blackberry, you could simply tranfer it to your computer. If you print out hard copies of the blank form you could assemble them in a 3-ring binder. In addition to what others suggested, the Date and Place/Event might also be worthwhile.

Understood - many thanks, Jim
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Re: WTN Form

by Howie Hart » Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:05 am

Based on suggestions posted here, I modified the form. The contents are in the quote below. While difficult to visualize because of formatting on the web page, I have it completed in MSWord format, in tables with fill-in spaces, etc. It is layed out in landscape with 2 separate forms per page, and if you can print double-sided, it can be folded and assembled into a small (half-page) booklet. If anyone would like a copy, send me an email and I will send it to you.

EDIT: It can also be downloaded here: Wine Press.

Wine Tasting Note
From Label:
Name: Variety:
Appellation: Vintage:
Color: Red White Rosé
Type: Table Sparkling Dessert Fortified
ABV:% RS:%
Price: Where Purchased:
Date Consumed: Event:
Eye:
Clarity:
Hue:
Color intensity:
Nose:
Off odors?
Strength: (nothing to intense)
Descriptors:
Mouth:
Sweetness:
Acidity: (flabby to sour)
Body: (light, medium, heavy)
Finish: (harsh, astringent, bitter, hot TO harmonious, full, lush)
Tannins: (oaky, harsh, soft, integrated)
Oak: (impact - barely noticeable, moderate, dominant, massive, integrated)
Areas: (full mouth or specific areas or lacking in areas)
Length:
Flavors:
Food Match:


Overall:


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Re: WTN Form

by Victorwine » Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:07 pm

Great job Howie!

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Re: WTN Form

by Bob Parsons Alberta » Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:19 pm

Thanks for emailing the form Howie. Great for writing brief notes when relaxing/contemplating/socializing/just hanging out!!

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