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WTN: Lightning Strikes! (Jadot, Alesia, Donnhoff)

by David M. Bueker » Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:50 pm

Dinner last night with Dan Donahue and his wife Dawn. We ate at a very interesting place called Saffron Bistro in Rockford, Illinois. They do French & Moroccan cuisine, and do it rather well.

On to the important part - the wines.

We started with a Burgundy, the 1998 Domaine Jadot Gevrey Chambertin 1er Cru Clos St. Jacques which was rather a bit grumpy and unyielding for a while, but after an hour or so (plus about 90 minutes of being open before that) it began to take on a more expansive and evolved perfume, though it never really became friendly. Overall a wine of much promise but in need of a lot more time.

That was followed by the 2003 Alesia Syrah which while distinctly ripe and rich was not at all over the top. It was meaty and fruity, and quite enjoyable with the braised beef portion of my couscous.

We finished off with a thunderstorm that had me thinking of Kansas, flying witches, yellow brick roads and of course, Donnhoff. The 1999 Donnhoff Niederhauser Hermannshohle Riesling Auslese is just barely peaking through the door of its adolescence. There's a touch of creaminess, but as with the Jadot there is a lot of promise of things to come.

The rain let up, and we headed out. Later on that night a tree was struck by lightning adjacent to my hotel.
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Re: WTN: Lightning Strikes! (Jadot, Alesia, Donnhoff)

by James Roscoe » Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:58 pm

Shouldn't these notes be called the 'Rockford Files"? :roll:

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Re: WTN: Lightning Strikes! (Jadot, Alesia, Donnhoff)

by David M. Bueker » Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:02 pm

James Roscoe wrote:Shouldn't these notes be called the 'Rockford Files"? :roll:


Luckily I'm not James Garner.
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Re: WTN: Lightning Strikes! (Jadot, Alesia, Donnhoff)

by Dan Donahue » Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:18 pm

"Lightning Strikes"--Aerosmith or Lou Christie?

While the coming storm didn't put a damper on the companionship, I do think it clamped down the Jadot. It took a lot of air and coaxing to draw it out. I think in a few years it will be a very elegant wine; more so than I expected from Jadot and Gevrey. The Sonoma Coast Alesia was very good. David, I agree with your comment that California is turning out some quality Syrahs. The quality of the Donnhoff was certainly no surprise. Easily the best nose of the group with flavor to match.

Glad you enjoyed the food. Did you make it to the German Restaurant? Not much of a winelist, but you can't go wrong with Weiss beer on tap.
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Re: WTN: Lightning Strikes! (Jadot, Alesia, Donnhoff)

by David M. Bueker » Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:35 pm

Dan,

I didn't get to the Rathskeller. I ended up in meetings until very late & just grabbed a sandwich on my way back to the hotel. Next time for sure!
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Re: WTN: Lightning Strikes! (Jadot, Alesia, Donnhoff)

by Bob Henrick » Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:12 pm

James Roscoe wrote:Shouldn't these notes be called the 'Rockford Files"? :roll:

Good notes as always. It makes me wish I had your good taste.


James, it makes me wish I had his budget, both in travel, and in wine buying!
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Re: WTN: Lightning Strikes! (Jadot, Alesia, Donnhoff)

by David M. Bueker » Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:51 pm

Well my travel budget is company-based. And trust me the wine dinners are just about the only part of the travel that I enjoy.

The wine budget is the direct result of having no other meaningful hobbies (or kids) to spend my $$ on.
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Re: WTN: Lightning Strikes! (Jadot, Alesia, Donnhoff)

by Mark Lipton » Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:03 pm

David M. Bueker wrote:The wine budget is the direct result of having no other meaningful hobbies.


Huh?? Climbing the Canadian Rockies isn't a meaningful hobby? I thought that it was Riesling and Rocks, after all. :wink:

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Re: WTN: Lightning Strikes! (Jadot, Alesia, Donnhoff)

by David M. Bueker » Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:39 pm

Mark Lipton wrote:
David M. Bueker wrote:The wine budget is the direct result of having no other meaningful hobbies.


Huh?? Climbing the Canadian Rockies isn't a meaningful hobby?



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Re: WTN: Lightning Strikes! (Jadot, Alesia, Donnhoff)

by Bob Parsons Alberta » Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:39 am

David today I came across the following `06 Donnhoff wines. Naturally not cheap here in AB!!

Norheimer Dellchen Ries Trocken. $92
Tonschiefer Ries Trock $42
Oberhauser Leistenberg Ries Kab $42
Schlofbockelheimer Felsenberg Ries Spat $62.

I noticed the Norheimer bottle was 2 inches taller! Question..engraved on the bottle is some kind of inscription.1L and 5grapes..the 1L joined together. What does this signify?

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Re: WTN: Lightning Strikes! (Jadot, Alesia, Donnhoff)

by David M. Bueker » Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:50 am

Bob,

The logo (and bottle) on the Norheimer Dellchen signify that it is a "Grosses Gewachs" (great growth) bottling. This is a relatively new system, promoting outstanding dry wines from top vineyard sites. Donnhoff (of course) does a great job with these, though the whole marketing concept is still relatively new and of dubious value in my opinion. There's way too many vineyard sites that qualify for Grosses Gewachs status in my opinion, making the term not all that meaningful.

By the way, those prices are really tough, and seem dramatically higher than the types of prices I saw in the Banff area last fall.
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Re: WTN: Lightning Strikes! (Jadot, Alesia, Donnhoff)

by Rahsaan » Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:50 am

Bob Parsons Alberta. wrote:Question..engraved on the bottle is some kind of inscription.1L and 5grapes..the 1L joined together. What does this signify?.


Erste Lage (i.e. First Growth).

It's a classified vineyard.
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Re: WTN: Lightning Strikes! (Jadot, Alesia, Donnhoff)

by David M. Bueker » Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:50 am

Erste Lage is what they use in the Mosel. Grosses Gewachs is used in the Nahe (and some other areas). Erstes Gewachs is used in the Rheingau.

Now doesn't that make everything clearer? :roll: :shock:
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Re: WTN: Lightning Strikes! (Jadot, Alesia, Donnhoff)

by Rahsaan » Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:19 pm

David M. Bueker wrote:Grosses Gewachs is used in the Nahe (and some other areas).


Ok. Thanks.

But the fact that they use the 1L symbol makes it even sillier!
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Re: WTN: Lightning Strikes! (Jadot, Alesia, Donnhoff)

by David M. Bueker » Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:37 pm

Rahsaan wrote:
David M. Bueker wrote:Grosses Gewachs is used in the Nahe (and some other areas).


Ok. Thanks.

But the fact that they use the 1L symbol makes it even sillier!


No, no, no. It's more consumer friendly. :roll:
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Hobbies and wine

by Mark Lipton » Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:38 pm

David M. Bueker wrote:
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David M. Bueker wrote:The wine budget is the direct result of having no other meaningful hobbies.


Huh?? Climbing the Canadian Rockies isn't a meaningful hobby?



That's vacation.


OK. I don't think I get the whole "hobby" thing anyway. Once, in a job interview, I was asked at dinner if I had any hobbies. After thinking about it, I said no. Later, when it became clear that I was passionate and knowledgeable about wine, my host acted as if I'd been caught out in a lie (though humorously). I was honestly surprised. Wine, a hobby? To me, it's just a part of my everyday life, like food, clothing, books and music. Is reading a hobby? Is listening to music? To me, hobbies were things like collecting objects for the sake of collection or woodworking or other crafts. I was honestly puzzled (and still am) by the categorization of my love of wine as a hobby.

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Re: WTN: Lightning Strikes! (Jadot, Alesia, Donnhoff)

by David M. Bueker » Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:58 pm

That makes a lot of sense Mark. If I were to look at all of the things that I do outside of work that I have any passion for, perhaps golf would be the only "hobby" as I have successfully lived pretty much wthout it for the last 2 years (work demands dramatically reducing how much I get to play). When it comes to hiking, photography, music appreciation or wine collecting/drinking/learning/talking those are all a part of me that I just can't shake.
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Re: Hobbies and wine

by Rahsaan » Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:16 pm

Mark Lipton wrote:To me, it's just a part of my everyday life, like food, clothing, books and music. Is reading a hobby? Is listening to music? To me, hobbies were things like collecting objects for the sake of collection or woodworking or other crafts. I was honestly puzzled (and still am) by the categorization of my love of wine as a hobby.


I don't know. I think hobbies are things that you choose to do in your spare time. So, reading the advertisements on billboards while you drive to work might not count for 'reading' as a hobby. But if you spend all weekend curled up with specific books then it sounds like a hobby to me.

Seems like someone who plans a vacation to France with visits to winemakers in Beaujolais and the Northern Rhone clearly has wine as some sort of hobby that is more developed than just sipping something with our daily sustenance. :wink:
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Re: Hobbies and wine

by Mark Lipton » Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:14 pm

Rahsaan wrote:
I don't know. I think hobbies are things that you choose to do in your spare time. So, reading the advertisements on billboards while you drive to work might not count for 'reading' as a hobby. But if you spend all weekend curled up with specific books then it sounds like a hobby to me.


Your definition is more in keeping with others', it seems, than my own. I'll just have to rethink the meaning of the word.

Seems like someone who plans a vacation to France with visits to winemakers in Beaujolais and the Northern Rhone clearly has wine as some sort of hobby that is more developed than just sipping something with our daily sustenance. :wink:


Huh??? That's business travel (with a few excursions), I'll have you know! Impudent pup! :P

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Re: Hobbies and wine

by Rahsaan » Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:24 pm

Mark Lipton wrote:Huh??? That's business travel (with a few excursions), I'll have you know!


Nice job!
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Re: Hobbies and wine

by Dale Williams » Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:32 pm

Mark Lipton wrote: Wine, a hobby? To me, it's just a part of my everyday life, like food, clothing, books and music. Is reading a hobby? Is listening to music? To me, hobbies were things like collecting objects for the sake of collection or woodworking or other crafts. I was honestly puzzled (and still am) by the categorization of my love of wine as a hobby.Cluelessly yours,Mark Lipton


Dear Clueless:
I'm with Rahsaan. If wine is just part of your everyday life, like clothing, can we assume that you spend a noticable amount of time on the discussion forum at EYvesStLaurent.com or ClothesLoversDiscussionGroup, or editing the FAQ for alt.clothing.leisuresuit ? Do you plan stops during vacations (or business trips) at the producers of your favorite socks or outerwear? Have you met with people to compare different vintages of Burberry raincoats? Perhaps you participate in blind "wearings" of cashmere gloves? :D
Face it dude, it's a hobby (hey, a better one than trainspotting!).
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Re: Hobbies and wine

by Mark Lipton » Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:35 pm

Rahsaan wrote:
Mark Lipton wrote:Huh??? That's business travel (with a few excursions), I'll have you know!


Nice job!


Why do you think I took the position of Study Abroad Liaison for our department? Altruism? Hah! BTW, you should know all about that yourself, Rahsaan. I don't expect to see you venturing into studying agrarian political trends in Kansas, just to give you a for instance...

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Re: WTN: Lightning Strikes! (Jadot, Alesia, Donnhoff)

by Bob Parsons Alberta » Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:46 pm

David M. Bueker wrote:Erste Lage is what they use in the Mosel. Grosses Gewachs is used in the Nahe (and some other areas). Erstes Gewachs is used in the Rheingau.

Now doesn't that make everything clearer? :roll: :shock:


Thanks for the explanation. David, which of those wines I mentioned should I be looking at? All of them!!
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Re: Hobbies and wine

by Rahsaan » Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:15 pm

Mark Lipton wrote:BTW, you should know all about that yourself, Rahsaan. I don't expect to see you venturing into studying agrarian political trends in Kansas, just to give you a for instance...


Yes. I've been mulling over what my next big project should be and there are a number of competing factors indeed :wink:
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