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WTN: A London Loire Office Picnic

by Rahsaan » Wed Aug 13, 2008 6:11 am

Last night, I got together with folks from the wine-pages board who were kind enough to welcome me at their picnic offline, which meant eating and drinking in the conference room of Alex’s office. A unique venue but really quite charming and convenient and somehow tolerated by Alex’s company. The standard of food was quite high. I understand in the early versions of these events it may have been stale bread and old sausages, but last night’s standouts included delicious homemade focaccia, delightful mushroom risotto, tasty tarts, and some unique Franco-Bulgarian dim sum-esque canapés, along with plenty of other treats.

Of course even better for me was the wine theme of the Loire. Although we started off-theme with the 1998 Schramsberg J Schram. My first exposure to this house and I found it quite pleasant. Plenty of sunny fruit supported by a slight underlying acid mineral spine. Nothing for me to complain about. Some asked me if I thought it might be slightly low in acid, and I replied ‘For my tastes of course, it’s from California after all. But despite that it’s still quite drinkable.’ This got a good laugh as people had been holding been critiques of the American wine out of politeness.

We would not all agree on the 1999 Didier Dagueneau Pouilly Fumé Pur Sang. Some of us (myself included) thought it was corked but others (including the man who brought the wine) thought that the musty cardboard smell disappeared at times to reveal the petrolly steely low-in-fruit wine that it usually is. Unfortunately we had no second bottle to settle the score.

Moving across the river we had the 2002 Alphonse Mellot Sancerre "Cuvée Edmond" and the 2006 Sébastian Riffault Sancerre Akméniné. Both wines are in the richer, riper, rounder style of Sancerre (which admittedly is not my favorite) yet they had very clear differences. The Mellot seemed very ‘well-made’ as it was rich and round yet not at all heavy or plodding (as I had been expecting from the oak marks). It had decent minerality and was only a bit soft. But if I drink Sancerre I want life, and this seemed dull. There was more energy to the Riffault, which was somewhat surprising because it was mostly about the toffeed honey. However, despite that richness there was plenty of complexity with appropriate herbal notes and a delightful tactile texture that made this one of the most interesting wines of the evening for me.

One last dry white was the 2007 Raats Family Original Chenin Blanc which was fresh crisp and respectable if not very exciting for me, although I saw some folks at the other end of the table enjoying glass after glass in an apparent effort to conjure up the outdoor grill-fest that this would go splendidly with. I will keep that in mind.

We started the red wine with 2005 Vacheron Sancerre Rouge Belle Dame and 2005 Ampelidæ P.N. 1328 VdP de la Vienne. Both were dark fruited and firm examples of pinot noir and offered an interesting mixture of positive and negative features. The Vacheron was prettier and easier although it had sour notes that seemed strange among all the dark gravely fruit and made me wonder about the quality of the fruit/terroir. Which were supposed to be good given the price. No? The Ampelidæ was unique, befitting its unique origins, and although it took me a bit of time to get used to the brett, once that calmed the wine seemed more focused and layered than the Vacheron. Dark, hard, deep, tight: I don’t think I would have identified this blind as pinot noir. Interesting.

I was looking forward to comparing the 2004 and the 1996 Baudry Chinon Croix Boissée. The 04 showed much more open and less tannic than I expected and at first I liked it better than the 96. It had all that fresh juicy fruit with layers of flavor and nice balance. In comparison, the 96 seemed a bit funky and vegetal at first, but after a few sips I warmed to its resolved, integrated, spicy and mature pleasures. I remember bottles from a few years ago where the acid was sticking out on these 96 CBs. But, if this bottle is any indication that need no longer be a consideration and they can now be approached without fear. Whether or not you want to wait for further evolution is a matter of personal taste.

The 2005 C+P Breton Bourgueil Les Perrieres was gorgeous as expected. Love the ripe dark but oh so clean and fresh flavors going on here. It was plenty firm and serious and had plenty pulsing underneath for the future. Yet, it was showing pretty well as I might have feared something more tannic and shut down. Perhaps a bit blocky and on its way towards a cranky stage, but it was not fully there yet. Hooray for us!

The 2001 Château de la Grille Chinon did not show very well next to the Breton and Baudry. It was pleasant and correct (it showed weeds!), but I don’t think anyone was very excited.

At this point we had all eaten way too much but were still trucking on like troopers, and luckily we had more wine to ease the pain! The 2004 Ampelidæ Le K VdP de la Vienne was yet another interesting offering. Apparently it is 100% cabernet sauvignon and there were some curranty notes to evoke the grape. But again, it seemed to speak more of its quirky unique origins as it was dark, firm, mineral, layered, confusing, and in need of more attention.

Which I did not have to give because we were now pouring the 1994 Mas de Daumas Gassac Rouge which was extremely minty and although the fruit was dark the wine was thin and piercing on the palate. Others had reported recent bottles showing well, but this one seemed to be still shut down. That said, it became friendlier and more harmonious once Plamen circulated his anti-tannin vanilla candies.

And since things were getting sweet, why not drink the 1990 Prince Poniatowski Vouvray Moelleux Clos Baudoin. This went well with the lemon tart and was refreshing after all the red wine. Nothing grand and I’ve never felt the need to buy these wines, but it had its loose bright yellow ripe juicy and dirty-mineral way about it. A refreshing close to the ceremonies. Or at least to the first round of the ceremonies before re-tasting the red wines…

Thanks again!
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Re: WTN: A London Loire Office Picnic

by Dale Williams » Wed Aug 13, 2008 8:48 am

Rahsaan wrote:Franco-Bulgarian dim sum-esque canapés

I just love those :lol:

1990 Prince Poniatowski Vouvray Moelleux Clos Baudoinnothing grand and I’ve never felt the need to buy these wines, but

I did buy a couple of the '89 Aigle Blancs, but in general agree- competent, but lots of better stuff out there. Will be interesting to see what Chidaine does.

Thanks for interesting notes.
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Re: WTN: A London Loire Office Picnic

by Chris Kissack » Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:13 am

The Poniatowski wines seem very popular in the UK at the moment, a year or two you probably wouldn't have seen them. I think this is because Grand Cru Wines recently offered a large quantity of stock, including mature and young vintages, following the deal between Poniatowski and Chidaine. They were offered at good prices - many wines less than £10 per bottle, or therabouts. I agree with you both; these are not top of the class Vouvray, there are finer examples of the appellation out there, and they do in some cases have a note of dirt to them. But they were good prices, and I bought a few and have written about them, and will enjoy secreting them in blind ten-year-on tastings for friends in the coming years.
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Re: WTN: A London Loire Office Picnic

by Rahsaan » Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:17 am

Dale Williams wrote:
Rahsaan wrote:Franco-Bulgarian dim sum-esque canapés

I just love those :lol:


To be fair, the nomenclature is all mine. The chef was a Bulgarian woman who claimed that her recipes were French, but like nothing I have ever seen in France so I assume there must be some international inspiration at work. Visually, some of them looked like little dim sum dumplings (although in reality were apple-and-creamcheese balls).
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Re: WTN: A London Loire Office Picnic

by Bob Parsons Alberta » Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:49 am

Good to see you were able to attend this picnic, Rahsaan. Great Loire wines indeed, oh some great pics (of the wines) on UK board.
The food sounds great eh.
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Re: WTN: A London Loire Office Picnic

by Mark Lipton » Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:27 am

Dale Williams wrote:
Rahsaan wrote:Franco-Bulgarian dim sum-esque canapés

I just love those :lol:

1990 Prince Poniatowski Vouvray Moelleux Clos Baudoinnothing grand and I’ve never felt the need to buy these wines, but

I did buy a couple of the '89 Aigle Blancs, but in general agree- competent, but lots of better stuff out there. Will be interesting to see what Chidaine does.


I agree, Dale. I've got Chidaine's '05 Clos Baudoin in the cave and I have high hopes for it. Of course, I liked his '05 "les Argiles" better than some, so YMMV.

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Re: WTN: A London Loire Office Picnic

by Anders Källberg » Wed Aug 13, 2008 4:41 pm

Rahsaan wrote:1999 Didier Dagueneau Pouilly Fumé Pur Sang. Some of us (myself included) thought it was corked but others (including the man who brought the wine) thought that the musty cardboard smell disappeared at times to reveal the petrolly steely low-in-fruit wine that it usually is.

Rahsaan, interesting to read your impression that the Dagueneau seemed corked, since we had exactly the same experience the only time I have tasted one of his wines. Many of us thought it corked, while other claimed it was his expression of terroir.
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Re: WTN: A London Loire Office Picnic

by Rahsaan » Wed Aug 13, 2008 5:14 pm

Anders Källberg wrote:Rahsaan, interesting to read your impression that the Dagueneau seemed corked, since we had exactly the same experience the only time I have tasted one of his wines. Many of us thought it corked, while other claimed it was his expression of terroir.
Cheers, Anders


That is interesting indeed!
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Re: WTN: A London Loire Office Picnic

by Jenise » Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:41 pm

Great notes. So is London home for you now?
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Re: WTN: A London Loire Office Picnic

by Rahsaan » Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:37 pm

Jenise wrote:So is London home for you now?


For the next 5 weeks, yes.

Then a 1 year postdoc in DC before moving to Amherst MA in fall 09 to start teaching. At that point there should be some stability for at least 2-3 years!
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Re: WTN: A London Loire Office Picnic

by Hoke » Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:54 pm

Rahsaan wrote:
Jenise wrote:So is London home for you now?


For the next 5 weeks, yes.

Then a 1 year postdoc in DC before moving to Amherst MA in fall 09 to start teaching. At that point there should be some stability for at least 2-3 years!


Have you started your collections of ascots yet, Rahsaan? Amherst will be there before you know it!
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Re: WTN: A London Loire Office Picnic

by Rahsaan » Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:46 pm

Hoke wrote:Have you started your collections of ascots yet, Rahsaan? Amherst will be there before you know it!


First things first, I need a real winter coat, gloves, and a hat!

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