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WTN: Argentina at WineStyles (and Spain)

by Brian K Miller » Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:22 am

A couple of nice cheap Argentine wines last night at WineStyles from the Finca Los Primos estate. They may be big production wines, and they are cheap (under $15), but I quite enjoyed them.

2006 Barbera (Mendoza): Very nice Barbera. Only 13% abv nominal label value, and no heat at all on the palate or the nose. Bright blackberry and raspberry fruit with good acidity and a distinctly (but enjoyable) black pepper element. At $12.99, this is a nice wine.

2006 Malbec (Mendoza) A much bigger and richer wine. 14.1% nominal alcohol. Rich mouth feel with an earthy base. Blueberry and blackberry and a hinto of licorice. The richness suggests some new oak, but with this fruit it doesn't bother me, and I didn't get any overt vanilla notes. Excellent QPR at $14.99.

Also: Ramon Bilbao Crianza Rioja. My old buddy Jon didn't like this one, but I tasted "old school Rioja" in this wine, with no overt dill pickle and a very nice light sour cherry and acidity character. $20 and probably worth it when I can't adfford Tondonia or Bosca! :twisted:
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Re: WTN: Argentina at WineStyles (and Spain)

by Alejandro Audisio » Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:56 pm

Brian.... you raise a very important point with the inexpensive Barbera you have noted above. Im a big fan of Argentine Barbera.... I only wish more of the high-end producers would take the grape more seriously. Until now, only one example of a premium Barbera has made it to market... its done by Escorihuela Gascon under their Pequenias Producciones label - this is a domestic market only label made in very small batches, max. 4000 bottles. They made a 2003 vintage and it has not appeared since.... the wine was very special.
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Re: WTN: Argentina at WineStyles (and Spain)

by Brian K Miller » Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:01 pm

Well, Alejandro, my main concern in Argentina and Chile is winemakers whose idea of an expensive cuvee is 20 months in new oak...so I like the cheapies! :lol:

The modest "Reserve" 2004 Luigi Bosca only had 12 months in oak, and it was delicious! Their higher end blend wine (the one with a woman's name and Tannat in the blend) had twenty months in new oak and I didn't like it very much!
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Re: WTN: Argentina at WineStyles (and Spain)

by Bill Spohn » Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:57 am

Good to know about the Barbera, Alejandro. Now we just need to be able to get some!

FWIW I am not a fan of the Italian varietals done in California - the Nebbiolo, Sangiovese and Barbera always leave me asking myself why they bothered.

I am also a fan of malbec, particularly old country wines like Cahors, but have been favourably impressed with some of the higher end Argentinian malbecs, which display some interesting complexity - the lower end wines, great value of course, usually just present a simple fruity blast that would (and does) have Parker jumping for joy.
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Re: WTN: Argentina at WineStyles (and Spain)

by Brian K Miller » Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:14 am

I agree with you, Bill vis a vis Italian varietals in California. I have actually had a few decent Sangiovese (Luna's Reserve bottling isn't bad), but for literally half the price I can get a Chianti Classico Riserva with more typicite, more acid, and brighter fruit.

Try the Luigi Bosca, Bill...I relaly like the mouth feel and sense of balance.
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Re: WTN: Argentina at WineStyles (and Spain)

by Bill Spohn » Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:01 pm

Brian K Miller wrote:Try the Luigi Bosca, Bill...I relaly like the mouth feel and sense of balance.


Shall do. I much prefer the ones that show some flavour subtlety to the whack in the face with a basket of fruit sort.

So far I have restrained myself from trying the Funky Llama.... I have some Noemia that is very good.
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Re: WTN: Argentina at WineStyles (and Spain)

by Alejandro Audisio » Fri Aug 29, 2008 6:25 pm

Brian K Miller wrote:Well, Alejandro, my main concern in Argentina and Chile is winemakers whose idea of an expensive cuvee is 20 months in new oak...so I like the cheapies! :lol:

The modest "Reserve" 2004 Luigi Bosca only had 12 months in oak, and it was delicious! Their higher end blend wine (the one with a woman's name and Tannat in the blend) had twenty months in new oak and I didn't like it very much!


Brian... I hear what you are saying. Oak and the issue of allowing time for proper Oak integration is a huge debate, and IMO its what decides which side the Iguana chews on.... (sorry, an old Mexican saying I just remembered) :lol: Its my guess that if you tasted some of the bigger cuvees after some 4-5 years in the cellar, you woul de enjoying them more. Not trying to have you move up into a higher price range, just trying to share my experience with you... I agree that at an early stage, many second wines are much more enjoyable than their big brother 1st wines... happens all the time.
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