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Gary Barlettano
Pappone di Vino
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Wed Mar 29, 2006 5:50 pm
In a gallon jug far, far away ...
Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
Carl Eppig
Our Maine man
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Tue Jun 13, 2006 1:38 pm
Middleton, NH, USA
Bob Parsons Alberta. wrote:Inglenook Chablis? How do they get away with that?
Mike Filigenzi
Known for his fashionable hair
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Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:43 pm
Sacramento, CA
Jenise
FLDG Dishwasher
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:45 pm
The Pacific Northest Westest
Brian K Miller
Passionate Arboisphile
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:05 am
Northern California
Jenise wrote:I was surprised by: "The five wines whose on-premise volumes declined the most from 2006 to 2007 were: Shiraz, down 22 percent, primarily because of supply problems in Australia". What is the nature of the "supply problems", if anyone knows? Can't even guess, judging by the Yellow Tail flowing around my hood.
Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
11420
Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
Jenise wrote:I was surprised by: "The five wines whose on-premise volumes declined the most from 2006 to 2007 were: Shiraz, down 22 percent, primarily because of supply problems in Australia". What is the nature of the "supply problems", if anyone knows? Can't even guess, judging by the Yellow Tail flowing around my hood.
Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
11420
Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
Mike Filigenzi wrote:Interesting that Concannon moved up. I seem to remember them being much more prominent a decade or two ago.
Jenise
FLDG Dishwasher
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:45 pm
The Pacific Northest Westest
Hoke wrote:I question whether the decline is "primarily because of supply problems in Australia" however. That's definitely a major issue, no doubt about that. But I think there's more.
I've been thinking, for quite some time, about the overall nature of what Syrah/Shiraz is/has become, and specifically the level of acceptance in this country.
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Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
Jenise wrote:Hoke wrote:I question whether the decline is "primarily because of supply problems in Australia" however. That's definitely a major issue, no doubt about that. But I think there's more.
I've been thinking, for quite some time, about the overall nature of what Syrah/Shiraz is/has become, and specifically the level of acceptance in this country.
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That's where I was going with my question. In spite of my personal tastes, the wines I drink at most people's houses are in the affordable, corporate brands that rank highest on this list. And these days, at those homes, I'm less likely to encounter shiraz and merlot than was the case 3-5 years ago and more inclined to see pinot noir, zinfandel and cabernet, pinot noir especially now that there are reasonable versions (Macmurray and Castle Rock, for instance) that compete at the same price point as the Ozzies. And the people that are buying these wines know nothing about droughts--the wines they've always bought are still there. They're just looking for variety and experimenting more often.
Hoke wrote:Syrah is probably the most amenable red grape variety for making a full spectrum of wine types. It is capable of conforming to a wide range of climate zones. You can make Syrah from hot climates; you can make Syrah from cold climates. Way different wines, but you still get acceptable results.
Trouble is---for me---those wines made in warmer climates tend to be primarily fruit gobs, with no bone structure. Neither high in acids nor tannins, and therefore essentially flaccid wine. And that's the problem. I think even the most accomodating and clueless of consumers eventually gets tired of that, and has the idea of moving on. They may not even realize it---in fact, I'm certain most don't realize it----but they somehow want more. More definition, I think.
Let me hasten to add here, before I get pilloried by the faithful, that I place certain wines far, far outside this criticism. Like Edmunds-St. John, like certain exceptional (to me) Australian Shirazes with definition and character (even some of the gobby ones, as long as they have accompanying structure and acidity), and definitely excepting the Cote Roties and Hermitages and such.
Howie Hart
The Hart of Buffalo
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 4:13 pm
Niagara Falls, NY
I would guess they sell twice as much gin.20 Martini & Rossi Vermouth Vermouth Italy Bacardi USA, Inc.
Steve Slatcher
Wine guru
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Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:51 am
Manchester, England
Carl Eppig
Our Maine man
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Tue Jun 13, 2006 1:38 pm
Middleton, NH, USA
Steve Slatcher wrote:In fact some importers will sell certain labels only to the on-trade, thus making them more popular with that sector. Is it the same in the US? If so the concept of the top restaurant brands is perhaps not very meaningful.
Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
I am very surprised not to see Spain on that list. Don't Spanish wines get into US restaurants? Rioja often features in the UK.
JC (NC)
Lifelong Learner
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Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:23 pm
Fayetteville, NC
Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
JC (NC)
Lifelong Learner
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Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:23 pm
Fayetteville, NC
Steve Slatcher
Wine guru
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Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:51 am
Manchester, England
Hoke wrote:I am very surprised not to see Spain on that list. Don't Spanish wines get into US restaurants? Rioja often features in the UK.
A reminder that the US and the UK are two very different places, Steve.
Remember, we're talking largely national chains here, places like Applebees and Fridays and Sharis, the ones that report what they list.
Those places don't attract, nor do they cater to, wine drinkers. They are looking for whatever mass appeal will satisfy the lowest common denominator. They are, simply, not places people go to for wine.
And places like that, in the US, wouldn't even consider putting a Spanish wine on the list. Hell, they don't usually get past chardonnay and merlot.
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