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Friday Rant

by Hoke » Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:31 pm

Or, Hoke Goes Off On Cork Taint Yet Again.

While opening numerous bottles this week for some training I was doing, I had a run of three cork tainted bottles from one producer.

Opened bottle one....lightly tainted, but nonetheless perceptible. All fruit is gone, and nothing but a lingering stale, flat, dull quality is left.

Opened bottle two....Agh! Foul, rank, egregious, funky, cardboard and fungus mold and dead animals under the house. Outrageously, disgustingly cork tainted.

In a panic, I sent a person running to the restaurant (we were in a hotel meeting room) to secure another bottle. Success! Bottle procured. We opened.

Corked.

Now I happen to know about this winery, and about the winemaker, and the owner. And I can tell you that they spend hours and hours of valuable man hours, and a great deal of money, securing the best and most expensive corks they can, then testing, testing, testing, constantly testing, multiple corks from each and every batch, ruthlessly rejecting even a hint of cork taint. They pride themselves on going far, far beyond even stringent requirements to insure the wine they produce is as correct as possible.

And yet, even with all that care and money, cork taint manages to get through.

And when this happens....when I open what should be a pristine, delicious, evocative, compelling bottle of wine, crafted by an artisan to exacting specifications of quality, and then have to smell that disgusting foul odor emanating from the neck of the bottle, permeating the room, fouling everything it touches, and I have the most depressing disappointment come over me... Rapidly followed by outrage, pure unadulterated fury that this could happen.

I cannot, for the life of me, any longer understand the bleating of people who talk about 'the romance of the cork', or 'there hasn't been sufficient trial', or
"better to stick with tradition than chance anything new." And, okay, okay, the cork producers finally got off their lazy, fat asses and were forced to do something about it; and yes, they've improved, greatly improved.

But you know what? That's not good enough for me anymore.

I am sick to death of having cork taint spoil otherwise great wines. Or otherwise mediocre wines, for that matter. Enough is enough!

Get rid of plugs of tree bark. Banish them from all bottles. To hell with being patient and understanding and placatory. Off with their cork-heads!

Whether artificail/alternative or screwcaps or crown caps....or whatever closure will best do the job it's designed to do, anything is better than cork.

Period.

[I'd like to say that made me feel better---but it doesn't, not really; because I know there's a cork tainted bottle out there, waiting for me, lurking until the right moment to spoil my mood.]
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Re: Friday Rant

by SteveEdmunds » Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:39 pm

Mason Jars! I read that somewhere...
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Re: Friday Rant

by James Roscoe » Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:41 pm

Did your head explode? WOW? I agree with you in principle Hoke. I just can't work up the righteous indignation over cork taint.
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Re: Friday Rant

by Rahsaan » Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:47 pm

James Roscoe wrote: I just can't work up the righteous indignation over cork taint.


You don't open as many bottles as Hoke does :wink:
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by David M. Bueker » Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:57 pm

Hoke wrote:I cannot, for the life of me, any longer understand the bleating of people who talk about 'the romance of the cork'


Well then better chop Neal Rosenthal off your list of good guys, because that's exactly what he talked about at the tasting I attended with him. He unequivocally stated that he will never import a bottle of wine with anything but a natural cork, and that anyone who would buy/drink a wine with synthetic/glass/screw top was making "a political statement against all that wine stands for." I loudly stated "you can't drink the cork" in response. The audience laughed.
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Re: Friday Rant

by Thomas » Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:04 pm

Gee Hoke, I never knew there was such a problem in the wine world. Where can I get more information about this "corked" thing? It sounds like a potential major problem, and I am so glad I stuck my head out of the sand for five minutes to read your post and find out about it ;)
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Re: Friday Rant

by Hoke » Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:11 pm

David M. Bueker wrote:
Hoke wrote:I cannot, for the life of me, any longer understand the bleating of people who talk about 'the romance of the cork'


Well then better chop Neal Rosenthal off your list of good guys, because that's exactly what he talked about at the tasting I attended with him. He unequivocally stated that he will never import a bottle of wine with anything but a natural cork, and that anyone who would buy/drink a wine with synthetic/glass/screw top was making "a political statement against all that wine stands for." I loudly stated "you can't drink the cork" in response. The audience laughed.


As much as I like the wines that Neal brings in, David, he and I are diametrically opposed on this issue. Shows that otherwise thoughtful and intelligent people can be short sighted and blindered by their past and irrational concepts derived therefrom.

My stance is not a political statement against all that wine stands for---it's a personal statement in support of all that wine stands for. For me.

Sad that Neal is so narrow about it.

And good on you for standing up, dude!
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Re: Friday Rant

by Hoke » Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:12 pm

Thomas wrote:Gee Hoke, I never knew there was such a problem in the wine world. Where can I get more information about this "corked" thing? It sounds like a potential major problem, and I am so glad I stuck my head out of the sand for five minutes to read your post and find out about it ;)


Not a day goes by us wine geeks can learn something, eh? :D
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Re: Friday Rant

by Tom N. » Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:30 pm

Hoke,

I agree. I just added a note to my riesling vertical about the transition that Gunderloch went through during the 2000-2005 period. At the start they used real corks, then switched to artificial and then in 2005 switched to screwcaps. Luckily the wine with the real cork was good in this vertical. However, I don't think we noticed any real trends in the wine quality related to the different closure systems being used. Someone told me that Gunderloch switched from artificial corks to screwcaps because they were having problems with too much oxygen penetration with artificial corks. Is that your experience?
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by David M. Bueker » Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:56 pm

Tom N. wrote:Someone told me that Gunderloch switched from artificial corks to screwcaps because they were having problems with too much oxygen penetration with artificial corks. Is that your experience?


That's my experience. I've had Gunderloch and Christoffel under synthetics that were badly oxidized by age 3.
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Re: Friday Rant

by Thomas » Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:44 pm

David M. Bueker wrote:
Tom N. wrote:Someone told me that Gunderloch switched from artificial corks to screwcaps because they were having problems with too much oxygen penetration with artificial corks. Is that your experience?


That's my experience. I've had Gunderloch and Christoffel under synthetics that were badly oxidized by age 3.


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Re: Friday Rant

by James Roscoe » Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:15 pm

Rahsaan wrote:
James Roscoe wrote: I just can't work up the righteous indignation over cork taint.


You don't open as many bottles as Hoke does :wink:

That is a good point, but is it really a sign of the apocalypse? I will admit, I am all for screw caps as a closure.
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Re: Friday Rant

by Hoke » Fri Sep 19, 2008 11:37 pm

David M. Bueker wrote:
Tom N. wrote:Someone told me that Gunderloch switched from artificial corks to screwcaps because they were having problems with too much oxygen penetration with artificial corks. Is that your experience?


That's my experience. I've had Gunderloch and Christoffel under synthetics that were badly oxidized by age 3.


Yep. And not just Germans. French and California as well. Plastic is, quite simply, a short term fix. Screwcaps perform significantly better, for significantly longer (and all indications thus far are that it will be significantly longer than any cork), and with amazing consistency.
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Re: Friday Rant

by Andrew Burge » Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:25 am

Tom N. wrote:Hoke,

I agree. I just added a note to my riesling vertical about the transition that Gunderloch went through during the 2000-2005 period. At the start they used real corks, then switched to artificial and then in 2005 switched to screwcaps. Luckily the wine with the real cork was good in this vertical. However, I don't think we noticed any real trends in the wine quality related to the different closure systems being used. Someone told me that Gunderloch switched from artificial corks to screwcaps because they were having problems with too much oxygen penetration with artificial corks. Is that your experience?


Diverging slightly - I have some 04 Gunderlochs in the cellar under screwcap. Perhaps different closures for different markets that year? Australia seems to be relatively receptive to non cork closures,
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by Redwinger » Sat Sep 20, 2008 7:45 am

Hoke wrote:Or, Hoke Goes Off On Cork Taint Yet Again.

While opening numerous bottles this week for some training I was doing, I had a run of three cork tainted bottles from one producer.

Opened bottle one....lightly tainted, but nonetheless perceptible. All fruit is gone, and nothing but a lingering stale, flat, dull quality is left.

Opened bottle two....Agh! Foul, rank, egregious, funky, cardboard and fungus mold and dead animals under the house. Outrageously, disgustingly cork tainted.

In a panic, I sent a person running to the restaurant (we were in a hotel meeting room) to secure another bottle. Success! Bottle procured. We opened.

Corked.

Now I happen to know about this winery, and about the winemaker, and the owner. And I can tell you that they spend hours and hours of valuable man hours, and a great deal of money, securing the best and most expensive corks they can, then testing, testing, testing, constantly testing, multiple corks from each and every batch, ruthlessly rejecting even a hint of cork taint. They pride themselves on going far, far beyond even stringent requirements to insure the wine they produce is as correct as possible.

And yet, even with all that care and money, cork taint manages to get through.

And when this happens....when I open what should be a pristine, delicious, evocative, compelling bottle of wine, crafted by an artisan to exacting specifications of quality, and then have to smell that disgusting foul odor emanating from the neck of the bottle, permeating the room, fouling everything it touches, and I have the most depressing disappointment come over me... Rapidly followed by outrage, pure unadulterated fury that this could happen.

I cannot, for the life of me, any longer understand the bleating of people who talk about 'the romance of the cork', or 'there hasn't been sufficient trial', or
"better to stick with tradition than chance anything new." And, okay, okay, the cork producers finally got off their lazy, fat asses and were forced to do something about it; and yes, they've improved, greatly improved.

But you know what? That's not good enough for me anymore.

I am sick to death of having cork taint spoil otherwise great wines. Or otherwise mediocre wines, for that matter. Enough is enough!

Get rid of plugs of tree bark. Banish them from all bottles. To hell with being patient and understanding and placatory. Off with their cork-heads!

Whether artificail/alternative or screwcaps or crown caps....or whatever closure will best do the job it's designed to do, anything is better than cork.

Period.

[I'd like to say that made me feel better---but it doesn't, not really; because I know there's a cork tainted bottle out there, waiting for me, lurking until the right moment to spoil my mood.]


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by David M. Bueker » Sat Sep 20, 2008 7:47 am

Andrew Burge wrote:Diverging slightly - I have some 04 Gunderlochs in the cellar under screwcap. Perhaps different closures for different markets that year? Australia seems to be relatively receptive to non cork closures,


In 2004 they bottled some under cork and some under cap. I bought a couple of bottles with screwcaps, so it wasn't necessarily a clear line.
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Re: Friday Rant

by Sam Platt » Sat Sep 20, 2008 9:02 am

The function of the closure is to protect the wine and to allow it to achieve its full potential at tasting. It would seem that cork would not be the first choice on either count for most wines, all else being equal. When trying to make up my mind between competing wines I will gravitate to the wine with a screw cap.
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Re: Friday Rant

by James Roscoe » Sat Sep 20, 2008 10:14 am

Where is Tim? He could have turned this into a really fun thread! :roll:
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by Sam Platt » Sat Sep 20, 2008 10:29 am

Where is Tim? He could have turned this into a really fun thread!

That did become one of the nastier threads that I can remember. In fairness, I do think that Tim changed his approach and turned into a pretty solid forum citizen.
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Re: Friday Rant

by James Roscoe » Sat Sep 20, 2008 10:34 am

Sam Platt wrote:
Where is Tim? He could have turned this into a really fun thread!

That did become one of the nastier threads that I can remember. In fairness, I do think that Tim changed his approach and turned into a pretty solid forum citizen.

Sam, you are too generous, and I am waaaaay too snarky.

At the end of the day, it is difficult for me to see anyone seriously defending corks. That is not going to stop me from buying wines closed with corks or from returning wines ruined from corks. (I have two right now.)
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by Daniel Rogov » Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:31 am

James Roscoe wrote:At the end of the day, it is difficult for me to see anyone seriously defending corks.



Let it never be forgotten that there are those that some call romantics and others call Luddites. True that some years ago I wrote that no wine would ever enter my home for my personal drinking pleasure with a screwcap. I've yielded on that for young or fairly young whites but I'll stand by what I said earlier - for any wine that I want to take "serioiusly", nothing but cork for me.

My worst nightmare is of one day dining at Alain Ducasse in Monte Carlo, having the sommelier come to the table with a bottle of my Chateau Petrus, offering me the label to inspect, and then opening with a swift turn of his/her wrist. At that moment I shall indeed pull out my Marine Corps issue 45 caliber pistol, shoot him and then put the next bullet into my own head.

On a more fully serious note, let us also keep in mind that the problem is not with cork per se but with the greed of those who own cork plantations. For many years there was a 17 year limit on how frequently one could peel the bark. When it became more profitable, that bark was peeled ever 13 years, and then every 11 and now in many cases, every 7. The effect of that was to make the bark more sensitive to invasion of those factors that would later produced the wines we thought of as "corked" (that is to say, impacted upon by TCA. Until that point, there was simply no TCA problem from corks.

The solution is quite in sight. China is planting literally hundreds of thousands of acres of cork trees and the law is quite strict - no peeling until the tree attains its 30th year and after that only every 17 years. And in China when you cheat you're in deep doo-doo.

Simply stated, the future of cork will be cork. And as is said, power to some of the people.

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Re: Friday Rant

by Hoke » Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:05 pm

A few things wrong with that, Daniel.

First and easiest, China. Yes, they deal direly with rule breakers...when caught. Doesn't stop them from breaking rules though. Ask anyone about milk powder, tires, children's toys, sub-par buildings, mine waste. The list goes on and on. So I'm not holding my breath waiting for Chinese trees to solve the problems of cork.

Second, the source of the cork is not the primary worry for me. And I don't know that the age of the cork, when stripped is a fundamental part of the problem (notice, all, please. that I say I do not know---I'm open for enlightenment). I am not questioning, however, your statement that the greed of the old guard families who dominated cork supply are directly responsible for the severity of the crisis; not only for younger cork and less controls, but also because they were resistant to any sort of quality control, and were totally resistant to responding to the issue. Their attitude was: "Too bad; we've got you and there's nothing you can do about." Only when the clients started deserting corks----in desperation----did they finally decide to be responsive to the problem.

I doubt you'll ever have to take your trusty .45 to Ducasse, Daniel. You'll probably have already gone to that great Cork Heaven In The Sky before Petrus shifts to non-cork closures. And that's cool with me.

I don't wish to deny you access to cork tainted wines; I simply want to have available to me the same wines without cork taint.

But it doesn't really matter. I'm getting what I want, and you, Romantic Luddite that your are, are slowly but inevitably shifting away from pronunciamentos about alternative closures never crossing your doorstep. We alternative advocates have already shifted you off your curmudgeon base; now we have to work on you a little harder to convince you to take that next painful step toward progress.

One step at a time, Daniel. One step at a time. :wink:

Who knows? Maybe, just maybe, if they come up with some good antigeriatric treatments and we succeed in staving off senility for a while, you and I could end up opening that screwcapped Petrus together one of these days. Could we do it at Gagnaire's though. More fitting somehow.
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Re: Friday Rant

by Hoke » Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:09 pm

James Roscoe wrote:
Rahsaan wrote:
James Roscoe wrote: I just can't work up the righteous indignation over cork taint.


You don't open as many bottles as Hoke does :wink:

That is a good point, but is it really a sign of the apocalypse? I will admit, I am all for screw caps as a closure.


No, James, not a sign of the apocalypse. Cork tainted wines is more like herpes simplex. Not fatal (except to bottles of wine), but repetitive and annoying as hell when it happens. Worse than herpes simplex, though, is that it's a problem we can 'cure'...but people prefer to live with the irritation rather than fix the problem.
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Re: Friday Rant

by Thomas » Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:10 pm

Hoke,

Did you know about Daniel's collection of old wine bottle rags, wax, and used olive oil?

After a while, he comes around. ;)
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