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Neil Courtney
Wine guru
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:39 pm
Auckland, New Zealand
Cynthia Wenslow
Pizza Princess
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Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:32 pm
The Third Coast
David M. Bueker
Childless Cat Dad
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
David M. Bueker wrote:So buy wines with screwcaps & save bunnies all at the same time. Works for me.
Steve Slatcher
Wine guru
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Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:51 am
Manchester, England
Steve Slatcher wrote:The Iberian Lynx issue might be unrelated to cork oaks, but bear in mind that there are other environmental concerns should cork production become uneconomic.
David M. Bueker
Childless Cat Dad
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
Robin Garr wrote:Steve Slatcher wrote:The Iberian Lynx issue might be unrelated to cork oaks, but bear in mind that there are other environmental concerns should cork production become uneconomic.
That is certainly one of the cork industry's talking points, Steve. I'm not certain that it's been established by any kind of rigorous study beyond the assumption, "If the cork farms become uneconomical, we'll eventually lose the habitat."
Anders Källberg
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Sun Mar 26, 2006 10:48 am
Stockholm, Sweden
David M. Bueker wrote:Robin Garr wrote:Steve Slatcher wrote:The Iberian Lynx issue might be unrelated to cork oaks, but bear in mind that there are other environmental concerns should cork production become uneconomic.
That is certainly one of the cork industry's talking points, Steve. I'm not certain that it's been established by any kind of rigorous study beyond the assumption, "If the cork farms become uneconomical, we'll eventually lose the habitat."
Nor is there any reason to support a flawed product to sustain the cork oaks. If it's a real problem then the land should be protected as critical habitat, not supported through the sale of junk.
Steve Slatcher
Wine guru
1047
Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:51 am
Manchester, England
Robin Garr wrote:Steve Slatcher wrote:The Iberian Lynx issue might be unrelated to cork oaks, but bear in mind that there are other environmental concerns should cork production become uneconomic.
That is certainly one of the cork industry's talking points, Steve. I'm not certain that it's been established by any kind of rigorous study beyond the assumption, "If the cork farms become uneconomical, we'll eventually lose the habitat."
Victor de la Serna
Ultra geek
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Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:50 pm
Madrid, Spain
Peter May
Pinotage Advocate
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Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:24 am
Snorbens, England
Steve Slatcher
Wine guru
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Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:51 am
Manchester, England
Peter May wrote:There are many uses for cork other than wine closures.
Peter May wrote:Those lynx and birds were there 50 years ago and if wine cork demand dropped then they'd still be there.
David M. Bueker
Childless Cat Dad
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
Steve Slatcher
Wine guru
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Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:51 am
Manchester, England
David M. Bueker wrote:So Steve let me get this straight - the cork oak farming created the habitat for the birds? And now we're duty bound to preserve that habitat?
Neil Courtney
Wine guru
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:39 pm
Auckland, New Zealand
David M. Bueker wrote:Why not just leave the planet? Oh wait - there's those habitats we created...
Steve Slatcher
Wine guru
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Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:51 am
Manchester, England
Steve Slatcher wrote: grinding rural poverty
Steve Slatcher
Wine guru
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Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:51 am
Manchester, England
Robin Garr wrote:Steve Slatcher wrote: grinding rural poverty
In Portugal, Steve? In 2008? I agree about the conspicuous wealth, but I don't get the impression that they've got serious poverty issues.
Neil Courtney
Wine guru
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:39 pm
Auckland, New Zealand
Steve Slatcher wrote:You are assuming a lot, Neil. There is no conspicuous wealth there, and very few tourists. And very few tree-hugging types either BTW. Think rather of grinding rural poverty and you will get the picture.
Steve Slatcher
Wine guru
1047
Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:51 am
Manchester, England
Neil Courtney wrote:Steve Slatcher wrote:You are assuming a lot, Neil. There is no conspicuous wealth there, and very few tourists. And very few tree-hugging types either BTW. Think rather of grinding rural poverty and you will get the picture.
I take your point Steve. I don't know the source that said there were many people building holiday accommodation in the hills and cutting down trees to site the buildings, so until I know that it is true I withdraw my comments.
Oliver McCrum
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:08 am
Oakland, CA; Cigliè, Piedmont
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