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WTN: Two Southern Rhones

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WTN: Two Southern Rhones

by Jenise » Tue Sep 23, 2008 3:11 pm

1999 Domaine Les Grands Bois, Cuvee Gabrielle, Cotes du Rhone 13.5%
Garnet-red in color as befits its age. Bretty nose with raspberry fruit. Same in the mouth with cactus pear and light herbs. Somewhat awkwardly balanced with acidity overpowering fruit. It improves somewhat in the glass but gets stewy toward the end of the bottle hours later. Drinkable, but a year or three past it's best.

2003 Domaine de Cristia, CdP, 15%
The day before we drank the above bottle, I had gone into the cellar to choose a Southern Rhone and had removed, I thought, the above bottle. It wasn't until the end of dinner that I realized my mistake. In the meantime I'd been cooing over the fresh, warm pomegranite red fruit and youthful vitality of an almost-ten year old CdR. Afterward, it was too difficult to re-react to it as a younger CdP from a demonically warm vintage--it was smooth enough and I was enjoying it and our house guests too much to notice the higher alcohol. I can offer, however, that it's showing very well right now and similar to Coop's '03 Usseglio enjoyed last week.
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Re: WTN: Two Southern Rhones

by Brian K Miller » Tue Sep 23, 2008 5:16 pm

I was reading in the September 30 Wines of Satan Magazine (WS) (it was a freebie!) that Grenache should be picked at ripeness yielding 16% alcohol. He was cooing over a 17% abv wine. i don't want to restart a "alcohol" debate again, but urk!
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Re: WTN: Two Southern Rhones

by John Treder » Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:04 pm

Too late.... :twisted:

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Re: WTN: Two Southern Rhones

by Jenise » Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:59 pm

Brian K Miller wrote: Grenache should be picked at ripeness yielding 16% alcohol. He was cooing over a 17% abv wine. i don't want to restart a "alcohol" debate again, but urk!


What an astonishing statement. We drank another Rhone last night, a 2001 Rasteau that had annoying heat and alcohol flavor at just 14.5%, a detail about the wine we weren't aware of until the fumes made us look at the bottle. The viscosity and sweetness it would take to swaddle another 2.5% would have made one very unpleasant wine.
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Re: WTN: Two Southern Rhones

by Brian K Miller » Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:44 pm

Have you heard the name "James Molesworth? The article is called (I kid you not) "Chateauneuf's New Wave." The article burbles about the "balance" of "ultraripe fruit" and enthuses about how the "New Wave" of vintners waited while everyone else was picking their grapes.
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Re: WTN: Two Southern Rhones

by Robin Garr » Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:49 pm

Brian K Miller wrote:Have you heard the name "James Molesworth? The article is called (I kid you not) "Chateauneuf's New Wave." The article burbles about the "balance" of "ultraripe fruit" and enthuses about how the "New Wave" of vintners waited while everyone else was picking their grapes.

This is exactly the kind of thing that makes me hold the Wine Speculator in about the same level of respect I have for ... well, never mind!

As you said so eloquently, Brian, "urk."
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Re: WTN: Two Southern Rhones

by Brian K Miller » Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:10 pm

Robin Garr wrote:
Brian K Miller wrote:Have you heard the name "James Molesworth? The article is called (I kid you not) "Chateauneuf's New Wave." The article burbles about the "balance" of "ultraripe fruit" and enthuses about how the "New Wave" of vintners waited while everyone else was picking their grapes.

This is exactly the kind of thing that makes me hold the Wine Speculator in about the same level of respect I have for ... well, never mind!

As you said so eloquently, Brian, "urk."


Said freak wine also has a good dose of residual sugar, becasue the grapes were so ripe that the yeasts died before fermentation was completed. :mrgreen:
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