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Taste-off: Les Tourelles 2004 vs. Les Tourelles 2004

by Chris Kissack » Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:45 am

These are just a few thoughts from a tasting of Les Tourelles 2004 at Pichon-Baron earlier this year. Having opened two bottles, one closed with cork and the other with screwcap, this was an opportunity to see what difference a year or two with these different closures made to this wine. I don't have a huge drum to bang regarding the closures debate, and I remain in equipoise still following this tasting.

The two wines were tasted blind (I knew the identity of the wine, but not which was from under cork or screwcap), and there were striking differences between them. The first had a fresh colour, remaining firmly in the red spectrum and the nose had the tiniest hint of reduction. But the wine itself, on the palate, was pretty good; this was the wine from the bottle bearing a screwcap. The wine from under cork bore a hugely different colour which would have had me thinking it to be a much older wine, had I not had the prior knowledge that these were both of the 2004 vintage. The aromas on the nose were very similar, but the wine seemed more advanced on the palate. This was a very different experience. Nevertheless, it was impossible to walk away from the tasting saying that one had been certainly 'better' than the other. If you were looking for a wine to cellar, or indeed if you had a number of bottles in storage, the first wine - from under screwcap - would perhaps have inspired greater confidence. Having said that, however, there was a hint of reduction on the nose here, a commonly described problem with wines under screwcap. But those looking for a wine to drink now may well have found the second wine more to their taste.

I though this an interesting conclusion, suggesting that in this particular incidence the screwcap outperformed the cork in what might - perhaps for want of a better expression - be termed 'cellar-freshness'. When we consider that the ability to cellar wines is one frequently touted reason for avoiding screwcaps, this seems like a surprising conclusion. We should remember, however, that the concerns centre around how a screwcap would perform over many years and indeed many decades, whereas this tasting looked at wines with just a few years in bottle. So it will be vital that we see how these two wines progress over the coming years, and so I hope an opportunity to do so will arise again sometime.

Screwcap: Les Tourelles de Longueville (Pauillac) 2004: From one of the 12000 bottles under screwcap. Of the two wines, one under screwcap and one under cork (both tasted blind) this has the fresher colour. A smoky and gamey nose, with a touch of iodine. Perhaps a touch reduced? Rounded, sweet, firm, with gentle fruit and good tannin. Not very vigorous. Good though. The bright colour and note of reduction suggests screwcap to me. 15.5+/20

Cork: Les Tourelles de Longueville (Pauillac) 2004: This wine, also tasted blind, turned out to be bottled under cork. It has a remarkably different colour considering these have only been in bottle a year or two. Although the colour is more advanced, it still has a smoky and gamey character on the nose, and is clearly in the same vein as the preceding wine, although it is perhaps less expressive. It seems a little more fleshy, a touch sweeter. It has clearly evolved differently, and is attractive. Ready for drinking very soon. 15.5/20
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Re: Taste-off: Les Tourelles 2004 vs. Les Tourelles 2004

by David M. Bueker » Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:09 am

Interesting notes.

A few points:

1. I am glad to see that a Bordeaux chateau is experimenting with screwcaps. This can only be progress.

2. Tasting a wine barely 2 years after release is (as you indicate) not going to prove anything about the ageworthiness of screw caps, but your note ignores the fact that there have been trials in other parts of the world for much longer. One of my biggest aggravations with the cork advocates (and I am not calling you one - but you play into their arguments) is that there is no data on aging wines under screwcap. If a 30 year study of Australian Riesling is presented the argument changes to no red wine trials. When Penfolds shows that they have been doing trials for decades then the argument shifts to no French wine trials. I dare say that if Lafite showed successful screw cap trials over 50 years the argument would be that it hadn't been tried on Latour.

3. Bottling with screw caps requires somewhat different preparation which, if not done corectly can lead to reduction. One of hte most consistent things I have found is that as a winery gains experience with screwcaps the reduction issue goes away.
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Re: Taste-off: Les Tourelles 2004 vs. Les Tourelles 2004

by Chris Kissack » Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:21 am

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I brought the notes here as a point of interest, and I don't think it is necessary to lay out the whole cork debate to provide a context. I think you have jumped on your hobby horse a bit too soon! :wink:

I am sure the majority browsing this sort of site are aware of the issues you raise, but if not I give a few more details in the addition to my site today. Again, that update was not meant to be an exhaustive summary of the debate, but it does provide more context - it is here: http://www.thewinedoctor.com/tastingsformal/pichonbaron2004closures.shtml. I didn't reproduce it here because I didn't think anyone would want to read what seems like a bit of a lecture on an already knowledgeable forum, but I thought the tasting experience might be of interest.

Have you tasted these wines, David?
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Re: Taste-off: Les Tourelles 2004 vs. Les Tourelles 2004

by Oswaldo Costa » Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:30 am

Chris Kissack wrote:I brought the notes here as a point of interest, and I don't think it is necessary to lay out the whole cork debate to provide a context. I think you have jumped on your hobby horse a bit too soon! :wink:


See no reason for you to get defensive. Your post was interesting and informative and, as you say, left some contextual issues out on purpose. David's measured response brought these contextual issues back into the picture because he doesn't think they should be left out (and I agree). The two posts complement each other well.
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Re: Taste-off: Les Tourelles 2004 vs. Les Tourelles 2004

by David M. Bueker » Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:37 am

In the interest of full disclosure I have not tasted the wines, nor am I likely to as I seriously doubt I will see either version in my market. I will check around though as I would love to do the side-by-side comparison.

And as Oswaldo said, I was not critisizing your notes, but rather adding in some info that should always be part of the cork/screw cap discussion.
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Re: Taste-off: Les Tourelles 2004 vs. Les Tourelles 2004

by Chris Kissack » Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:38 am

Oswaldo Costa wrote:See no reason for you to get defensive. Your post was interesting and informative and, as you say, left some contextual issues out on purpose. David's measured response brought these contextual issues back into the picture because he doesn't think they should be left out (and I agree). The two posts complement each other well.

Not being defensive, just explaining my reasoning for not laying out the whole debate.
David M. Bueker wrote:In the interest of full disclosure I have not tasted the wines, nor am I likely to as I seriously doubt I will see either version in my market. I will check around though as I would love to do the side-by-side comparison.

I am afraid that it will not be straightforward to get hold of the two versions. One is destined for the on-trade and the other for private clients through UK merchant Bibendum.

One comment that I half-expected to see is how representative the wine under cork was. This is just one bottle and I did wonder whether other bottles under cork would be similar. Perhaps I was influenced by the fresher style of the screwcapped wine, but I did wonder whether the one under cork wasn't more advanced than I expect Les Tourelles to be at less than four years old.
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Re: Taste-off: Les Tourelles 2004 vs. Les Tourelles 2004

by David M. Bueker » Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:41 am

Chris Kissack wrote:One comment that I half-expected to see is how representative the wine under cork was. This is just one bottle and I did wonder whether other bottles under cork would be similar. Perhaps I was influenced by the fresher style of the screwcapped wine, but I did wonder whether the one under cork wasn't more advanced than I expect Les Tourelles to be at less than four years old.


There's one of the key issues with cork - we can never know.
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