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WTN: Do these wines benefit from ageing?

by Tim York » Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:00 am

In the case of the Brunello, my answer is an unequivocal "yes" because the age has opened up the wine, civilized its tannins and made it more complex by allowing the development of attractive secondary aromas. For the other three, I say "probably no".


Brunello di Montalcino “Castelgiocondo” 1993 – Marchesi de’ Frescobaldi seemed so subdued aromatically when I first decanted it that I feared that it had dried out but the worry was misplaced. I5 years since the vintage has darkened the fruit and the Sangiovese tang but both remained present and were complemented by good depth and mouth-feel, secondary flavours of forest floor and old books, good harmony, resolved structure and length; a Brunello worthy of its good name; 16.5/20++.

I wrote enthusiastically about Saint-Joseph 2006 – Domaine Vincent Paris after a tasting and confirm my enthusiasm with food; the aromas and red fruit dominated by sour cherry are exuberant, mouth-feel is velvety and there is good roundness and depth; tannic structure was not much in evidence but is perhaps “enrobed” by the substance. Because of this I would hesitate to suggest any improvement potential but it so delicious now, so why worry? 16/20+.

Coteaux du Languedoc La Clape “La Falaise” 1998 – Château de Negly was smoother than a few years ago but was otherwise remarkably unevolved in colour and taste showing a lot of red and dark fruit and round body with rose petal hints but not otherwise a lot of aromatic expression. Unless it is still holding something back, which I doubt, this is another demonstration that most Languedoc wines may hold well but do not gain a lot by ageing and, indeed, may be preferable with more youthful exuberance and rough edges; 15.5/20.

Tastes differ, of course, but for mine Dolcetto d’Alba 2005 – E. Pira & Figli (Chiara Boschis) was at its peak when I tasted it almost exactly two years ago in Ms. Boschis’ presence. I wrote this then.
“This showed an exuberant nose of soft red fruit with an attractively bitter tang followed by a palate which invites quaffing, “gourmand” (untranslatable) is the word; I would like to drink lots of this in the next few weeks as I fear that it will become less exuberant without acquiring much complexity later on.”
Last night, it was more civilized but also more ordinary though still showing attractive red fruit with a wet leather tang, touches of tobacco and nice roundness. An enjoyable wine, which no longer had the magic of its extreme youth; 15/20+.
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Re: WTN: Do these wines benefit from ageing?

by Bob Parsons Alberta » Fri Nov 21, 2008 9:52 am

Tim and Coteaux du Languedoc La Clape “La Falaise” 1998 – Château de Negly

I have never found any red from Negly over here. Know I am missing out Tim.
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Re: WTN: Do these wines benefit from ageing?

by Tim York » Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:26 am

Bob Parsons Alberta. wrote:I have never found any red from Negly over here. Know I am missing out Tim.


Which Languedoc producers do you find over there, Bob? IMHO, there are better ones than Negly.
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Re: WTN: Do these wines benefit from ageing?

by Rahsaan » Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:05 am

Tim York wrote:Saint-Joseph 2006 – Domaine Vincent Paris...I would hesitate to suggest any improvement potential but it so delicious now, so why worry?


My memory tells me that I've only had Cornas from Paris. Have you had experience aging his St. Joseph from other vintages?
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Re: WTN: Do these wines benefit from ageing?

by Bill Spohn » Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:35 am

I worked my way through a case of the Castelgiocondo 1990. It really didn't start to sing until it was about 10 years old - before that it went through awkward stages that made me wonder if I'd blundered by buying it. When it finally opened up it was like a different wine.
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Re: WTN: Do these wines benefit from ageing?

by Tim York » Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:00 pm

Rahsaan wrote:
My memory tells me that I've only had Cornas from Paris. Have you had experience aging his St. Joseph from other vintages?


This is my first, but not last, wine from Vincent Paris.
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Re: WTN: Do these wines benefit from ageing?

by Mark S » Fri Nov 21, 2008 2:43 pm

Tim York wrote:In the case of the Brunello, my answer is an unequivocal "yes" because the age has opened up the wine, civilized its tannins and made it more complex by allowing the development of attractive secondary aromas. For the other three, I say "probably no".



I wrote enthusiastically about Saint-Joseph 2006 – Domaine Vincent Paris after a tasting and confirm my enthusiasm with food; the aromas and red fruit dominated by sour cherry are exuberant, mouth-feel is velvety and there is good roundness and depth; tannic structure was not much in evidence but is perhaps “enrobed” by the substance. Because of this I would hesitate to suggest any improvement potential but it so delicious now, so why worry? 16/20+.



Tim, is this his basic bottling? I haven't yet had a Paris wine, but heard good things about. Even with basic syrah cuvee's, I like with a little bottle age to them to smooth out some of the corners. What is your opion on his other, more expensive wines in terms of aging capability and development?
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Re: WTN: Do these wines benefit from ageing?

by Tim York » Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:41 pm

Mark S wrote:Tim, is this his basic bottling? I haven't yet had a Paris wine, but heard good things about. Even with basic syrah cuvee's, I like with a little bottle age to them to smooth out some of the corners. What is your opion on his other, more expensive wines in terms of aging capability and development?


This is my first experience with Vincent Paris. I think that this must be his basic Saint-Joseph because there is no lieu-dit or cuvée name on the label. Normally I think that Saint-Joseph needs some time; I have some 01, 04 and 05 (the last two from Gonon) which I have not yet touched and even some 95 from Coursodon which was still tight a couple of years ago. This sort of performance in a two year old St.J is a novelty for me.
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