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Keith M
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Keith M
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:25 am
Finger Lakes, New York
David M. Bueker wrote:The inherent complexity of Grunhaus Rieslings is what makes them ideal for food matching. I think they have a flavor nuance to go with anything.
Keith M wrote:N.V. Achard-Vincent Clairette de Die Brut [100 percent Clairette; Méthode Dioise] (Clairette de Die AOC, Rhône, southeastern France) mushroom cork with wire cage, 11.5% - imported to USA by Kermit Lynch Wine Merchant, Berkeley, California – my first wine from the Clairette grape
Keith M
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:25 am
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Wink Lorch wrote:Keith M wrote:N.V. Achard-Vincent Clairette de Die Brut [100 percent Clairette; Méthode Dioise] (Clairette de Die AOC, Rhône, southeastern France) mushroom cork with wire cage, 11.5% - imported to USA by Kermit Lynch Wine Merchant, Berkeley, California – my first wine from the Clairette grape
I visited the area including Achard-Vincent in September and I'm now checking back on my notes. Very few people still make Clairette de Die Brut as it has been largely replaced by Crémant de Die made as all Crémants in the Traditional Method. However, I did taste the Clairette de Die Brut 100% Clairette there - wasn't that impressed either (my notes are MUCH shorter than your impressive note but these visits are always such a rush for me, shame ...) - though the rest of his range was really excellent. I have noted 2 years on the lees, and I'm pretty sure this cannot be Méthode Dioise (Ancestrale); I think it must be Traditional Method - I think Kermit Lynch must have made a mistake on the list (it's not on the label is it?). The article I wrote after my visit there has a few explanations of the area/local methods.
The main grape grown is Muscat à Petit Grains (shown left) which for AOC Clairette de Die must be at least 75% of the blend, with the balance being Clairette, better known further south in the Rhône. Some of the best Clairette de Die is made with 100% Muscat. Clairette is an acidic grape used in particular here for the dry sparkling wines, previously Clairette de Die Brut but now, with stricter production controls, Cr�mant de Die, in which recent changes to the law state that small quantities of both Muscat and Aligot� must also be included.
My sources indicate the the méthode dioise is a variation of the méthode ancestrale, whereby the wine is fermented in stainless steel tanks before moved into bottles where fermentation is allowed to continue from the residual sugar still in the wine (rather than restarted with a liqueur de tirage).
Keith M
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:25 am
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SteveG wrote:We recently tried this:
N.V. Robert Plageoles Gaillac Nature
Totally of the Mauzac grape, apparently the product of a single fermentation, simply bottled before completely finished. In this case, the wine was entirely dry, with a light and very pure taste:
Our bottle had some light sediment at the end related to the slightly cloudy appearance. This does not taste like champagne, but then it is an entirely original product. Extremely clean with very subtle flavors, apples and yeast, no bitterness or tartness at all.
SteveG wrote:N.V. Robert Plageoles Gaillac Nature...Extremely clean...
The one Méthode Gaillacoise sparkler I have tried was similar with the exception that it was noticeably sweet (not completely dry) and perhaps not as clean as the one you described. But, yes, unique and interesting. I'd love to have a méthode dioise to compare . . .
Glad to hear it. I have had some bottles of this in the past that tilted a bit funky. But I like Plageoles and am always rooting for their wines to be as good as possible.
Keith M wrote:A question regarding your article:
The main grape grown is Muscat à Petit Grains (shown left) which for AOC Clairette de Die must be at least 75% of the blend, with the balance being Clairette, better known further south in the Rhône. Some of the best Clairette de Die is made with 100% Muscat. Clairette is an acidic grape used in particular here for the dry sparkling wines, previously Clairette de Die Brut but now, with stricter production controls, Cr�mant de Die, in which recent changes to the law state that small quantities of both Muscat and Aligot� must also be included.
If the wine I had is indeed 100 percent Clairette Blanche (not indicated on the label, but what I was told by the folks at Kermit Lynch), it would appear it couldn't be labeled Clairette de Die (as it doesn't have 75 percent Muscat à Petit Grains) or Crémant de Die (as it doesn't have any Muscat or Aligoté). Or is there some other set of requirements for those labeled Clairette de Die Brut--though I would have thought that brut refers only to the amount of residual sugar and wouldn't change component requirements.
Interesting, if confusing, discussion.
SteveG wrote:I wonder if this method doesn't create an unusual amount of bottle (or maybe batch or vintage) variation. it seems less precise than using fully-fermented still wine and dosage.
Keith M
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:25 am
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Wink Lorch wrote:Confusing, yes as so many AOC rules, but think the case might be closed!
Keith M wrote:2004 Von Schubert Maximin Grünhauser Abtsberg Mosel-Saar-Ruwer Riesling Kabinett $28 is pricey, but this wine is more than worth it—what a wine for food!
David M. Bueker
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
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David M. Bueker wrote:Alas that the 2007 Germans were purchased with the weakest dollar imaginable.
David M. Bueker
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
Rahsaan wrote:David M. Bueker wrote:Alas that the 2007 Germans were purchased with the weakest dollar imaginable.
Ok. Some of the prices can be a bit wacky. But $25-26 for Grunhaus kabinetts is fair for me.
David M. Bueker wrote:The 2001 cost me $12.
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