Bill Spohn
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:31 pm
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David M. Bueker
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Dale Williams
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:32 pm
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Bill Spohn wrote:aHow many of the 13 allowed varietals have you ever tasted as single varietals? I think I have tasted about 8....
I know that everyone has these varietals memorized but thought I'd list them anyway....
Grenache, Syrah, Mourvèdre, Cinsault, Muscardin, Counoise, Clairette, Bourboulenc, Picpoul, Roussanne, Terret Noir, Picardan and Vaccarèse.
Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
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Mark Lipton wrote:Bill Spohn wrote:aHow many of the 13 allowed varietals have you ever tasted as single varietals? I think I have tasted about 8....
I know that everyone has these varietals memorized but thought I'd list them anyway....
Grenache, Syrah, Mourvèdre, Cinsault, Muscardin, Counoise, Clairette, Bourboulenc, Picpoul, Roussanne, Terret Noir, Picardan and Vaccarèse.
14, actually, since Grenache blanc is allowed into the wines, too. I think that the answer for me is 7, assuming that the Clairettte of Cremant de Die is the same grape.
Mark Lipton
Keith M
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:25 am
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Hoke wrote:Actually, to be pedantic and nitpicky (but not macho), if you've had Clairette de Die, you haven't really had Clairette. You had Muscat mostly. Clairette de Die is Muscat a Petits Grains with Clairette allowed in to the blend...at 25% max. You made the mistake of confusing Clairette the grape with Clairette the AOC; always fatal when you're trying to be simple and straightforward with anything French.
Hoke
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
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Keith M wrote:Hoke wrote:Actually, to be pedantic and nitpicky (but not macho), if you've had Clairette de Die, you haven't really had Clairette. You had Muscat mostly. Clairette de Die is Muscat a Petits Grains with Clairette allowed in to the blend...at 25% max. You made the mistake of confusing Clairette the grape with Clairette the AOC; always fatal when you're trying to be simple and straightforward with anything French.
Mmmm, don't know about this.
I recently posted a note on a Clairette de Die that I was told (by the importer, Kermit Lynch Wine Merchants) was 100 percent Clairette Blanche. I could write this off to miscommunication between importer and consumer, except that Wink Lorch reported tasting a Clairette de Die Brut with 100 percent Clairette when she visited the estate. It might be the exception, but, evidently, there are exceptions . . .
Hoke wrote:And here is where the French will drive us crazy:
There's Clairette de Die Tradition (and by that is meant in the tradition methode dioise) which is what I was alluding to, Keith. That is defined as Muscat a PG with a maximum of 25% Clairette (and usually less).
Then there's Cremant de Die, which, as you and Mark correctly said, is mostly Clairette, referred to by Jancis Robinson as "flabby." "overweight" and "overworked". Telling choice of words there.
Oh, and it's possible to have a Cremant de Die with 100% Clairette. Also possible to have a Cremant de Die without any Clairette at all.
Keith M
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:25 am
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Steve Edmunds wrote:All thirteen. If you visit Beaucastel a few times, you get a chance to taste a lot of them you might not otherwise encounter. Just don't ask me if I remember the differences between them.
Keith M
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:25 am
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Robin Garr wrote:I've done the Beaucastel tour a couple of times, Steve, but usually in my experience they've never trotted out more than a half-dozen. Checking my notes on a May 2002 tour, guide Mike Rijken sampled us on the 2001 GSM, Muscardin and Counoise, a total of only five.
Hoke
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
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Keith M wrote:Aha. Thanks, Hoke. Things are a bit clearer now. I still have to try some of this Clairette de Die Tradition stuff--sounds interesting.
Confusing enough in any case, even without the rules changes that Wink refers to!
Keith M wrote:But how many of the 13/14 have you had as varietal wines, Robin? Inquiring minds want to know!
Keith M
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:25 am
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Hoke
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
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Rahsaan wrote:More importantly, what was the 6 liter bottle of wine?
Robin Garr wrote:Steve Edmunds wrote:All thirteen. If you visit Beaucastel a few times, you get a chance to taste a lot of them you might not otherwise encounter. Just don't ask me if I remember the differences between them.
Steve Edmunds wrote:Don't know if everyone is aware, but Tablas Creek, last I knew, was intending to bring the rest of the thirteen,not already here, to the US to propagate.
Hoke wrote:
Actually, to be pedantic and nitpicky (but not macho), if you've had Clairette de Die, you haven't really had Clairette. You had Muscat mostly. Clairette de Die is Muscat a Petits Grains with Clairette allowed in to the blend...at 25% max. You made the mistake of confusing Clairette the grape with Clairette the AOC; always fatal when you're trying to be simple and straightforward with anything French.
Hoke wrote:Ah. A meritage blend of all five Bordeaux varieties from a single vineyard in the Central Coast. From a particularly good year..
Sam Platt
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