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05 Raphet, 06 Margerum & 07 Carlisle

by Jason Hagen » Sat May 30, 2009 7:10 pm

2005 Gérard Raphet Bourgogne Passetoutgrains - France, Burgundy, Bourgogne Passetoutgrains (5/19/2009)
Pretty and subtle aromas. This wine has a lot of acid. It really jumps to the front. Red fruit and citrus flavors. Very light pinot flavors but much about the wine tends towards Sav Blanc. On the second day it seemed even more zippy. Cranberries and ripe grapefruit. Showing plenty of tannin so I think 3-5 years will be kind to this wine. At $10 this is very nice but some others at a few more $$ could give more complexity and depth. (86 pts.)

2006 Margerum Syrah Alondra de los Prados Vineyard - USA, California, Central Coast, Santa Ynez Valley (5/18/2009)
On Derby day we drank (among many people, so only small sips) the outstanding 05 version. It was certainly one of the favorites of the day. I decided to pop the too young 06 in hopes of enjoying the fresh fruit. The nose shows big purple fruits. Some iron elements as well. The wine is full bodied but not heavy or sloppy. The texture is rich but still presents some edges. I have not idea with the oak on this is, but it seemed to be a little too heavy handed on the wood. We enjoyed this now but it will show much better in 3-5 years. (90 pts.)

2007 Carlisle Syrah Russian River Valley - USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley (5/14/2009)
This very young syrah looks like boysenberry syrup. Dark and viscous. I had this over 2 days. I first smelled iron, stems, flowers and red fruit. On the second day I thought boysenberry syrup over a bed of rocks. The texture is silky with the middle being heavy, viscous and slightly hot. On the second day weight had eased up and the wine was brighter and livelier. A monster syrah that it fairly monolithic at this stage. The price leads you to think it could be an early drinker but for me this need time ... and not just a few years. If I can afford the cellar space, I'll wait at least 4 years. My hope is that this monster finds some elegance. 88-89 pts (89 pts.)
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Re: 05 Raphet, 06 Margerum & 07 Carlisle

by Rahsaan » Sat May 30, 2009 7:16 pm

Jason Hagen wrote:2005 Gérard Raphet Bourgogne Passetoutgrains - France, Burgundy, Bourgogne Passetoutgrains (5/19/2009)...this wine has a lot of acid...Very light pinot flavors but much about the wine tends towards Sav Blanc.


As you probably know, these wines are allowed to include pinot blanc, pinot gris, and chardonnay. Any idea of what was included in this bottling?
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Re: 05 Raphet, 06 Margerum & 07 Carlisle

by Jason Hagen » Sat May 30, 2009 7:21 pm

Rahsaan wrote:As you probably know, these wines are allowed to include pinot blanc, pinot gris, and chardonnay. Any idea of what was included in this bottling?


I have know idea. I bopped around a little trying to get the info .. but i didn't try that hard. My guess would be hmmm... my first thought was blanc, then I though no gris ... and i finally landed with chard. :?

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Re: 05 Raphet, 06 Margerum & 07 Carlisle

by Lou Kessler » Sat May 30, 2009 7:24 pm

Jason Hagen wrote:[



2007 Carlisle Syrah Russian River Valley - USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley (5/14/2009)
This very young syrah looks like boysenberry syrup. Dark and viscous. I had this over 2 days. I first smelled iron, stems, flowers and red fruit. On the second day I thought boysenberry syrup over a bed of rocks. The texture is silky with the middle being heavy, viscous and slightly hot. On the second day weight had eased up and the wine was brighter and livelier. A monster syrah that it fairly monolithic at this stage. The price leads you to think it could be an early drinker but for me this need time ... and not just a few years. If I can afford the cellar space, I'll wait at least 4 years. My hope is that this monster finds some elegance. 88-89 pts (89 pts.)




"Boysenberry syrup over a bed of rocks' Yek! to my palate that's the description of a horrible Syrah. It's probably just me, but I did learn to love Syrah drinking Cote Rotie and Hermitage.
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Re: 05 Raphet, 06 Margerum & 07 Carlisle

by Jason Hagen » Sat May 30, 2009 9:32 pm

Lou Kessler wrote:"Boysenberry syrup over a bed of rocks' Yek! to my palate that's the description of a horrible Syrah. It's probably just me, but I did learn to love Syrah drinking Cote Rotie and Hermitage.


:D All my first syrahs were from Rhone but I have found much joy in new world syrahs too. But this is Carlisle ... they are massive wines and yet often keep enough acid and structure to make them interesting. There is a lot of WC in this wine IIRC so I think time will sort some things out. This is a 2007 so the fruit, ripe fruit, is all over right now. @ $20 I think it is a lot of bang for your buck ... but style wise ... it is Carlisle.

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Re: 05 Raphet, 06 Margerum & 07 Carlisle

by Oswaldo Costa » Sun May 31, 2009 7:04 am

I'm not 100% confident about where a Passetoutgrains and a red Grand Ordinaire don't overlap. Both mix pinot and gamay while allowing up to 15% of the three whites... If anyone knows, please enlighten me!
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Re: 05 Raphet, 06 Margerum & 07 Carlisle

by Dale Williams » Sun May 31, 2009 10:27 am

While PTG can legally contain up to 15% white varieties, it's pretty rare (from what I understand) that it does, most "name" producers stick to Gamay/PN blends, with most of the producers known for their PTG like Lafarge do more like a 50/50 blend than the legal minimum (1/3 PN).

I think the difference between BPTG and BGO is that the Grand Ordinaire doesn't have the 1/3 PN requirement, and can contain Cesar and other red outliers.

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