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Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:32 pm
Dobbs Ferry, NY (NYC metro)
Dale Williams wrote:Wait, I'm confused, you want to come up wth a Burgundian styled list (based on land) but you are asking for "California's Grand Cru/Premier Cru Producers?"
While there are quite a few monopoles, the vast majority of Burgundy crus have multiple owners. I don't really know any Cali vineyards that have that, though sure there are some. I do know some vineyards that are used by multiple producers (Hirsch). But usually that's one farmer selling fruit, correct?
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:45 pm
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Hoke wrote:
Pinot Noir? No hierarchy comes to mind there? No exceptionally consistent and stylistic producers?
Compassionate Connoisseur
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:32 pm
Dobbs Ferry, NY (NYC metro)
Compassionate Connoisseur
9509
Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:32 pm
Dobbs Ferry, NY (NYC metro)
FLDG Dishwasher
32897
Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:45 pm
The Pacific Northest Westest
Dale Williams wrote:Offhand, with limited experience, I'd say Hirsch has shown potential for GC. Great wines from Littorai, WS. etc. The Kistler isn't the vineyard's fault
Premier Cru: Olivet, Kanzler, Brown Ranch (but only tasted Saintsbury), Trenton (Swan).
But my opinion on this is about as valuable as my opinion on say jazz.
Dale Williams wrote:Offhand, with limited experience, I'd say Hirsch has shown potential for GC. Great wines from Littorai, WS. etc. The Kistler isn't the vineyard's fault
Premier Cru: Olivet, Kanzler, Brown Ranch (but only tasted Saintsbury), Trenton (Swan).
But my opinion on this is about as valuable as my opinion on say jazz.
Mark Lipton wrote:One trouble I see with this classification is the short track record for so many Pinot Noir vineyards in CA. One notable exception to that is the Bien Nacido vineyard, which I'd probably nominate for GC status. The biggest track record probably lies with Zinfandel vineyards, and there I'd put Monte Rosso, Old Hill and Lytton Springs in GC status, and Dickerson, Grandpere and Teldeschi in PC.
Mark Lipton
Hoke wrote:Mark Lipton wrote:One trouble I see with this classification is the short track record for so many Pinot Noir vineyards in CA. One notable exception to that is the Bien Nacido vineyard, which I'd probably nominate for GC status. The biggest track record probably lies with Zinfandel vineyards, and there I'd put Monte Rosso, Old Hill and Lytton Springs in GC status, and Dickerson, Grandpere and Teldeschi in PC.
Mark Lipton
Rockpile? Mendocino Ridge? Foothills? Gulp, but I'll go ahead and say it, Lodi? (For Zinfandel, obviously.)
For Pinot, any love for Monterey? Carneros?
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