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"International Style" Wine??

by TomHill » Mon May 22, 2017 10:39 am

Interesting article by SamRadford in GrapeCollective on "international style" of winemaking:
https://grapecollective.com/articles/so-industrial-wine-is-bad-wine-but-what-about-international-wine.

Heretofore, I always thought "international style" referred to a wine style that could be made
anywhere in the World. Like oaked SuperTuscans from Cab/Merlot or a Macedonian wine
made by PhillipeCambie. It was something I was to look down my nose at.

Now, from this article, it turns out that "international style" is something that allows a wine to
express its terroir. And, of course, as we've been told, a wine that expresses terrior is the
ne plus ultra that any wine should strive for. The article refers to two of my heroes, RandallGrahm
and ElisabettaForadori.

In all, the article leaves me a bit confused. Is "international style" good or bad??
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Re: "International Style" Wine??

by Hoke » Mon May 22, 2017 12:57 pm

This article is so internally conflicted it is actually interesting. And it comes down to poor choice of words.

The author, for some reason, goes astray almost immediately by applying definitions that contradict each other. International Wines versus New International Wines. How can "New International Wines" be international wines when the emphasize is primarily on expressing terroir/vintage/variety, as opposed to the "International Wines" category which does exactly the opposite?

Foradori's wines are not "International Wines", and it is ridiculous to say so. Elisabetti is quite intent on showcasing the terroir of certain grapes in certain soil made in certain ways, all to express the singularity of grape/place/process. You literally cannot reproduce Foradori wines anywhere else by anyone else. How is that "international"? It is the exact opposite of international. So why call it the "new international"???

Add in that the author's idea (and examples cited) are not in any way "new"; they are traditional, ancient, and currently revived---but they're not new.
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by TomHill » Mon May 22, 2017 1:08 pm

Hoke wrote:This article is so internally conflicted it is actually interesting. And it comes down to poor choice of words.

The author, for some reason, goes astray almost immediately by applying definitions that contradict each other. International Wines versus New International Wines. How can "New International Wines" be international wines when the emphasize is primarily on expressing terroir/vintage/variety, as opposed to the "International Wines" category which does exactly the opposite?

Foradori's wines are not "International Wines", and it is ridiculous to say so. Elisabetti is quite intent on showcasing the terroir of certain grapes in certain soil made in certain ways, all to express the singularity of grape/place/process. You literally cannot reproduce Foradori wines anywhere else by anyone else. How is that "international"? It is the exact opposite of international. So why call it the "new international"???

Add in that the author's idea (and examples cited) are not in any way "new"; they are traditional, ancient, and currently revived---but they're not new.

Yeah, Hoke.....a rather muddled piece of wine writing I thought.
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Re: "International Style" Wine??

by Tim York » Mon May 22, 2017 3:00 pm

"International Style" has acquired a meaning well understood by wine lovers and it seems perverse to try to give a different and quite opposed meaning.
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Re: "International Style" Wine??

by Brian K Miller » Mon May 22, 2017 3:17 pm

methinks tom is TROLLING us. :lol:
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Re: "International Style" Wine??

by Patchen Markell » Mon May 22, 2017 4:18 pm

Slow news day? Here's how to make a story out of nothing! First, invent a term, like “new international style," and give it a counterintuitive definition. Second, pretend that the term is actually used by other people to refer to a thing in the world. For example: "Recently however, there is a 'new international style' emerging"; "Randall Graham...has strong opinions about the 'new international style' wine." Gather a series of quotations from said people in which the term in question never actually appears. Place all quotations in large pot. Stir pot repeatedly until any residual bits of significance or perspective have dissolved. Serve tepid.
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Moi??

by TomHill » Mon May 22, 2017 4:22 pm

Brian K Miller wrote:methinks tom is TROLLING us. :lol:

Moi? Troll?? Never!!
Actually, it was a serious post. The article left me scratching my head as to what "international style " now meant.
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Re: "International Style" Wine??

by Rahsaan » Mon May 22, 2017 4:56 pm

Patchen Markell wrote:Slow news day? Here's how to make a story out of nothing! First, invent a term, like “new international style," and give it a counterintuitive definition. Second, pretend that the term is actually used by other people to refer to a thing in the world. For example: "Recently however, there is a 'new international style' emerging"; "Randall Graham...has strong opinions about the 'new international style' wine." Gather a series of quotations from said people in which the term in question never actually appears. Place all quotations in large pot. Stir pot repeatedly until any residual bits of significance or perspective have dissolved. Serve tepid.


Also sounds like a pretty good formula for academic publishing.
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Re: "International Style" Wine??

by Patchen Markell » Mon May 22, 2017 5:52 pm

This article, as they say, "fills a much-needed gap in the literature."
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Re: "International Style" Wine??

by Brian K Miller » Mon May 22, 2017 6:01 pm

Rahsaan wrote:
Patchen Markell wrote:Slow news day? Here's how to make a story out of nothing! First, invent a term, like “new international style," and give it a counterintuitive definition. Second, pretend that the term is actually used by other people to refer to a thing in the world. For example: "Recently however, there is a 'new international style' emerging"; "Randall Graham...has strong opinions about the 'new international style' wine." Gather a series of quotations from said people in which the term in question never actually appears. Place all quotations in large pot. Stir pot repeatedly until any residual bits of significance or perspective have dissolved. Serve tepid.


Also sounds like a pretty good formula for academic publishing.


I think I posted this already, but....

http://giaklamata.blogspot.co.uk/2017/0 ... paper.html

:? :lol:
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