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WTN: Two Apothic Reds...(short/boring)

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WTN: Two Apothic Reds...(short/boring)

by TomHill » Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:16 pm

Tried these two last week:
1. Apothic Crush Smooth Red Blend Calif (www.Apothic.com; 14.5%) Modesto 2015: Very dark mega-purple color; strong vanilla/Am.oak very grapey/spicy Zin/blackberry/boysenberry ripe bit jammy nose; soft off-dry (0.4%??) rich/lush/fat very strong Am.oak/vanilla bit earthymushroomy/Lodi/CentralVlly blackberry/boysenberry/ripe flavor w/ light smooth/ripe tannins; long soft/fat very strong blackberry/grapey/boysenberry/very ripe strong vanilla/Am.oak bit earthy/mushroomy off-dry finish w/ light soft/ripe tannins; lots of ripeness and blackberry/jammy character and a bit tiring on the palate; one glass will do you. $10.00 (SM)
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2. Apothic Inferno Red Blend (SmallBatch/LmtdRelease; Aged in whiskey brls for 60 days; 15.9%) Modesto 2015: Very dark color; very intense Am.oak/vanilla slight whiskey/Bourbon light blackberry/boysenberry/Zin/Syrah bit smokey some complex nose; soft very ripe rather alcoholic/hot very intense Am.oak/vanilla bit whiskey/Bourbon intense boysenberry/blackberry/Syrah/Zin ripe/jammy flavor w/ light soft tannins; long soft/fat/rich/lush very ripe/blackberry/boysenberry/Syrah strong vanilla/Am.oak some whiskey/charred/Bourbon slight alcoholic/hot slight earthy/Lodi perhaps off-dry (0.2%?) finish w/ light overripe/soft tannins; loads of overripe Syrah character and a ton of Am.oak w/ only a low-key Bourbon/charred character; actually rather interesting/unique but one hlf-glass will do you. $13.00 (SM)
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A wee BloodyPulpit:
1. Apothic: This is a Gallo product. The first Apothic Red was introduced in 2010. A blend that varies from Zin/Cab/Syrah/Merlot. It is a wine that is widely dissed by all of us knowledgeable folks in the wine community who's....sniff/sniff...tastes are far above a Gallo product. Probably, in the majority of the cases, w/o bothering to try the wine.
I was attracted to trying this wine because the Inferno had just been released. I'm a big fan of the Nebbiolos of the Inferno region of the Valtellina and wanted to see how a Calif version would compare to the old-world versions I know & love. Because it's a limited release (probably only 500,000 cases worth), I figured it wouldn't show up here in NM. Didn't find it at TraderJoe's (yet), but...low & behold..here it was in the local Smith's grocery.
I served this blind to my group as a mystery wine. They mostly guessed it to be a cheap/overblown Oz Shiraz. Since we had tried a quotidian NinoNegri Inferno a month ago, they were stunned when I told them it was an Inferno & just couldn't get the Nebbiolo character in it. Then, with a $hit-eating grin, I unveiled it as a Calif Inferno. Noone had heard of it before. When I revealed it was aged in used whiskey barrels, there was some grudging admissions that they could see the whiskey character.
Was this wine actually aged in whiskey barrels? I would tend to doubt it. I would guess Gallo might have immersed whiskey staves or whiskey barrel chips in their tanks of this wine. Maybe they aged a small fraction in used whiskey barrels and then blended it into the rest? But this is pure speculation on my part.
So this is a mighty fine example of a confected/spoofalated red wine. Undoubetedly made w/ all the tricks in the Gallo arsenal...mega-purple, finished off-dry, probably put thru RO, tightly filtered...made to appeal to the mass market and to Aunt Tillie...bless her sole.
Is it a bad wine, whatever definition you use for "bad"?? Absolutely not. It is loaded w/ varietal fruit, Zin & Syrah. It even displays a bit of the SanJoaquin terroir and, after all, isn't the ultimate goal of any wine to display its terroir? That's what the wine experts tell us.
Would I buy this wine again or order it by the glass in a restaurant?? Absolutely not. Because it is off-dry, it is very tiring on the palate. I would pour myself a glass, take a small swallow, and then dump the rest down the drain. Did that over three days...same result.
But the wine is not at all boring in the sense of an equivalent Charles Shaw Zin or Syrah. It's actually loaded w/ flavor.
But if your neighbor Fred brings you over a glass of Apothic Red, his newest great discovery, tell him it's far better than the CharlesShaw he's been drinking.
So this is probably my last visit to an Apothic red. Until they come out w/ the next one that's aged in a tequila or a sake barrel.
You can thank me for taking one for the team by sending me a real btl of Inferno.
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Re: WTN: Two Apothic Reds...(short/boring)

by Jenise » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:38 pm

That stuff is AWFUL. But it sells, hugely. It's in every supermarket and Costco situates gargantuan piles near the front door. I was at an industry tasting last year where Gallo was serving another product whose name I can't recall--the pitch was that if you were a fan of the Apothic line then you'd like this even more--same approach, even more concentrated. I skipped it.
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Re: WTN: Two Apothic Reds...(short/boring)

by Patchen Markell » Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:10 pm

Given that Ernest and Julio's corporate descendants presumably have a massive market research team at their disposal, my question is: where the heck did they come up with the name "Apothic" and why did they think it would sell? It makes me think of apothecaries and the apocalypse, neither of which really makes me want to relax with a bracing glass of off-dry Megapurple. But I, clearly, understand nothing of mass marketing. Any insight?
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Re: WTN: Two Apothic Reds...(short/boring)

by TomHill » Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:47 pm

Patchen Markell wrote:Given that Ernest and Julio's corporate descendants presumably have a massive market research team at their disposal, my question is: where the heck did they come up with the name "Apothic" and why did they think it would sell? It makes me think of apothecaries and the apocalypse, neither of which really makes me want to relax with a bracing glass of off-dry Megapurple. But I, clearly, understand nothing of mass marketing. Any insight?


From the Apothic website: Inspired by "Apotheca," a mysterious place where wine was blended and stored in 13th century Europe, the wines of Apothic are truly unique in style and taste.

Those marketing people are no dummies, Patchen. Get with the program!! :-)
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Re: WTN: Two Apothic Reds...(short/boring)

by Joe Moryl » Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:34 pm

Here is an artist's impression of the mythical Apotheca:

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Re: WTN: Two Apothic Reds...(short/boring)

by Peter May » Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:17 pm

Apothic Red is now in UK supermarkets.

It was brought as a members choice to one of our clubs tastings, it was too jammy and sweet for most but some liked it.

I don't think anyone knew it was Gallo, but anyway Gallo doesn't have the baggage that it has with US wine lovers.

Personally, I can see the attraction of its jammy sweetness to new red wine drinkers, but I would find it hard to drink with dinner
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Re: WTN: Two Apothic Reds...(short/boring)

by Jenise » Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:24 pm

Peter May wrote:Personally, I can see the attraction of its jammy sweetness to new red wine drinkers, but I would find it hard to drink with dinner


That's exactly it. It's a beginner's wine, a soda pop substitute. To the people it's meant to appeal to, the words "food wine" does not exist.
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Re: WTN: Two Apothic Reds...(short/boring)

by Patchen Markell » Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:06 pm

Joe: tanks for the chuckle. ;-)
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Re: WTN: Two Apothic Reds...(short/boring)

by Brian K Miller » Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:15 am

Jenise wrote:That stuff is AWFUL. But it sells, hugely. It's in every supermarket and Costco situates gargantuan piles near the front door. I was at an industry tasting last year where Gallo was serving another product whose name I can't recall--the pitch was that if you were a fan of the Apothic line then you'd like this even more--same approach, even more concentrated. I skipped it.


I would agree with Jenise here. If I wanted fruit juice with a kick, I would buy a juice box and add some cheap Everclear.

I like your use of the word "product". I drive by the Alien Giant Industrial Production Facility (I won't call it a "winery") when in the Valley sometimes.

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