WTN: Two Calif Picpouls...(short/boring)

Tried these two w/ Susan Sat night:
1. TablasCreekVnyd Picpoul Blanc Estate/PasoRobles (14.2%) 2014: Med.gold color; quite stony/mineral/chalky some floral/carnations/apple blossom quite fragrant bit complex nose; quite tart/tangy (lip-stinger?...no) some stony/mineral beautiful/exotic floral/very jasmine/some carnations/apple blossom some lean/wirey/tangy very perfumey lovely flavor; very long/lingering somewhat tart/tangy very strong floral/jasmine/bit carnations/apple blossom rather brisk/refreshing/vibrant bit stony/chalky/mineral finishblows away any Picpuol de Pinet I've had because of the floral/jasmine character; developing beautifully in the btl and will go another 3-5 yrs; very exotic jasmine character. $28.00 (VIN)
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2. Forlorn-Hope Picpoul RorickVnyd/CalaverasCnty (12.62%; 152 cs) Murphys 2015: Light gold color; quite stony/mineral/chalky slight funky/mousey/hantavirus/wet wool that clears rather apple/quince interesting nose; very tart/lean/citric/lemony strong stony/mineral/chalky bit earthy flavor; very long tart/tangy/citric/lemony fairly stony/chalky/bit earthy finish; much more like a P'dP but strong lemony character & more richness; a brisk/refreshing expression of Picpoul. $30.00
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A wee BloodyPulpit:
1. Picpoul comes from the French term for "lip-stinger". Not a whole lot planted in Calif & most commonly found as Picpoul d'Pinet. I was mightly impressed by how the TablasCreek had developed a very strong floral character since its release.
Tom

$20 and I can taste the real Picpoul. You are starting to be a red rag to the bull matey. .

$20 and I can taste the real Picpoul.

I don't know Bob. I'm a pretty old-world guy in terms of wine, but I can actually see the logic/merit of a CA picpoul. It's not like it's a grape that achieves much 'greatness' in France, and some extra oomph/flavor probably wouldn't hurt. Although, I wonder if it loses anything in the process. Unlike melon de bourgogne (for which the idea of a CA version seems heretical/monstrous), picpoul is already grown in warm climates in France. Still, somehow it sounds intriguing to me.

$20 and I can taste the real Picpoul. You are starting to be a red rag to the bull matey. .

So what makes these not "real" Picpouls, Bob. For a wine to be "real", I gather it must
come from Europe?
Tom

Unlike melon de bourgogne (for which the idea of a CA version seems heretical/monstrous)

Sorry to distract from the ontological disputation about the reality of Picpoul, but hasn't Dirty & Rowdy made a varietal Melon? I know there's a bunch of it in the Familiar Blanc. (Maybe if you pick it in late July...)

Dirty and Rowdy I know made one before, but not sure if they still do. I just picked up a Furmint from them, haven't tried it yet, but curious to see how it is!

Eyrie makes a Melon in Oregon that is very good, but a questionable QPR especially when Muscadet can be had for so cheap. Brégeon Muscadet is one of my favorites and it was recently cleared out by me for $10/btl... Hard to buy the Eyrie at $40/btl

Dirty and Rowdy I know made one before, but not sure if they still do. I just picked up a Furmint from them, haven't tried it yet, but curious to see how it is!

Eyrie makes a Melon in Oregon that is very good, but a questionable QPR especially when Muscadet can be had for so cheap. Brégeon Muscadet is one of my favorites and it was recently cleared out by me for $10/btl... Hard to buy the Eyrie at $40/btl

The D&R Furmint is really quite good, Kasey. I think the LimerickLane is a bit better, but that's pretty scarce.
And welcome here the WLDG. Some really nice folks hang out here..and then a few of us old curmudgeons.
Tom

Unlike melon de bourgogne (for which the idea of a CA version seems heretical/monstrous)

Sorry to distract from the ontological disputation about the reality of Picpoul, but hasn't Dirty & Rowdy made a varietal Melon? I know there's a bunch of it in the Familiar Blanc. (Maybe if you pick it in late July...)

Yes, I think I have heard of it in CA (probably from one of Tom Hill's posts). But for some reason it seems more of a stretch than CA picpoul. Maybe because CA melon is probably such a big change from Muscadet, whereas CA picpoul sounds like just a slightly extra Picpoul de Pinet.

$20 and I can taste the real Picpoul. You are starting to be a red rag to the bull matey. .

So what makes these not "real" Picpouls, Bob. For a wine to be "real", I gather it must
come from Europe?
Tom

History of the region, terroir, producer et al.

$20 and I can taste the real Picpoul. You are starting to be a red rag to the bull matey. .

So what makes these not "real" Picpouls, Bob. For a wine to be "real", I gather it must
come from Europe?
Tom

History of the region, terroir, producer et al.

Guess you're right, Bob....you've got Jamie Goode on your side:
http://www.wineanorak.com/wineblog/longer-articles/we-dont-want-our-wines-to-taste-nicer-but-truer

We are not supposed to like wines that taste "good", but we are supposed to like wines that are "real".
I always thought that if I like what the wine tastes like in the glass, that was all that's important.
Guess I'm wrong.

I guess I shouldn't be liking my Calif Zin, or Picpoul, or PinotNoir. Because all those grapes are "fake", brought
over from Europe which is their real home. Which leaves us with only Concord wine to drink as the "real"
American wine. Gag me with a spoon.
Tom