Einstein is a moron.

[Robin Garr]

Another method was to swallow nutmeg in warm water on the way to the induction station. You'd be hallucinating while at your physical, and until the following day.

Urban legend. Trust me on this. I tried (not to evade the draft, but for, er, scientific research). It's useless. Ditto the similar legend about banana peels.

As for the onion bagel, you can call it a legab if you wish, but unlike the latter-day sweet and fruit perversions, it has stood the test of time, even in NYC. And the Borscht Belt. (Although we're both either proving or challenging the conventional wisdom that if you can remember the '60s, you weren't there.)

[David M. Bueker]

Just quickly back to the Cinnamon Raisin bagel - my first one was eaten in about 1972, so it's not all that new. Now the whole Blueberry and Chocolate Chip thing is a little weird, but...

my first one was eaten in about 1972, so it's not all that new.

Let's see, real bagels have been around for about 300 years. 1972 is not exactly ancient history. It's a perversion of an honorable name.

Enjoy your cinnamon-raisin bread wheels, just don't call 'em bagels.

Um, Robin? I would SO read the essay on your "experiment" with banana peels and nutmegs. That is BEGGING to be written.

b

I like poppy seed bagels. I will indulge sesame on occasion. I dislike onion flavored bagels. It is a step away from bageldom because it changes the flavor. It also makes the bagel sort of slimy on the outside. Yuck! If you want onion, eat a bialy.

The right place for onion on a bagel is a slice of raw Bermuda onion on top of the lox.

[Robin Garr]

Um, Robin? I would SO read the essay on your "experiment" with banana peels and nutmegs. That is BEGGING to be written.

It was a long time ago, Barb! Just youthful curiosity ...

[Robin Garr]

I dislike onion flavored bagels. It is a step away from bageldom because it changes the flavor. It also makes the bagel sort of slimy on the outside.

I'll accept the flavor argument as a fair matter of personal preference. But slimy? If you're getting slimy onion bagels, you need to change bagelmongers.

Another method was to swallow nutmeg in warm water on the way to the induction station. You'd be hallucinating while at your physical, and until the following day.

Urban legend. Trust me on this. I tried (not to evade the draft, but for, er, scientific research). It's useless. Ditto the similar legend about banana peels.

As for the onion bagel, you can call it a legab if you wish, but unlike the latter-day sweet and fruit perversions, it has stood the test of time, even in NYC. And the Borscht Belt. (Although we're both either proving or challenging the conventional wisdom that if you can remember the '60s, you weren't there.)

Not quite. Nutmeg is toxic (in large quantities) and is classified as a pseudohallucinogenic. Eat a huge amount and you'll get sick and hallucinate from being poisoned. (You didn't take enough...)

I dug around and found this excellent, but dated, discussion of bagels, just in time for an upcoming trip to NYC. I will have to visit some of these temples of bageldom in order to verify whether or not they still belong on the list.

Cinnamon raisin bagel eaters, prepare to be offended.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... ine&st=nyt

Cinnamon raisin bagel eaters, prepare to be offended.

John,
I think you might be the one offended. I googled a Murray's and Bagel Oasis both mentioned in the link and guess what? They offer Cinnamon Raisin, pumpernickel, chocolate chip, etc. bagels.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

[David M. Bueker]

Ah but are they "natural" cinnamon raisin? Are the raisins spoofulated? Is the dough raised with commercial yeast? What about the cinnamon? Is it fair trade cinnamon? Remember that the intentions of the bagel maker are more important than if the bagel is enjoyable. A horridly tasteless, plain bagel is more honorable if it is made with indigenous yeast and flour made from wheat grown by a 94 year old man who has never left his family farm for even a day.

Oh, did I forget to mention that the wheat has to be dry-framed, organic, heritage grain? And only sea salt gathered from the high tide line in Malaysia is pure enough for a real bagel.

Are we forgetting that bagels can be sprinkled over with coarse salt, sesame seeds or onions and still be true bagels but that bagels the dough of which has been mixed together with blueberries, raisins,caviar or any other such goodies are no less than an abomination in the eyes of the Lord, the gods, the demi-gods and even the nymphs. And believe me, although I might have some arguiments with the Lord", the gods and/or the demi-gods, I'm a sucker for those nymphs.

Leviticus

19:19 Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woolen come upon thee.
19:20 Thou shalt not let thy fruit and thy grain be mingled within the bread of the morning, nor shalt thou mingle strange spices, for it is an abomination unto the Lord.

Leviticus according to Yaniger???

Unlike you, I am Chosen.

(where's the smiley that gives the raspberry?)

Leviticus

19:19 Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woolen come upon thee.
19:20 Thou shalt not let thy fruit and thy grain be mingled within the bread of the morning, nor shalt thou mingle strange spices, for it is an abomination unto the Lord.

Sounds like God wouldn't be too happy with genetic engineering! (Not to mention cotton/poly blends.)

(where's the smiley that gives the raspberry?)

I got your smiley right here!

Cinnamon raisin bagel eaters, prepare to be offended.

John,
I think you might be the one offended. I googled a Murray's and Bagel Oasis both mentioned in the link and guess what? They offer Cinnamon Raisin, pumpernickel, chocolate chip, etc. bagels.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

I'm not offended in the least. They are running businesses, and must give the customers what they want. I'm never offended by the market.

I was thinking more of the following quote:
But I also had bagels so despicably bad the people responsible for baking them should be incarcerated. New York may be the nation's bagel capital, but street vendors selling rubbery steamed bagels abound, not to mention local McDonald's franchises selling bagels topped with egg, cheese and bacon. Even such Midwestern depredations as blueberry bagels have gained a stronghold in certain precincts of New York City.

[Robin Garr]

Unlike you, I am Chosen.

You're Korean!? Who knew!

(where's the smiley that gives the raspberry?)

Colon-P ... ... but it's kind of hard to make out.

I'm not interested in making out. You're just not my type.

What. no C-R?
Infidel!

Côte-Rôtie with bagels? I knew you were a fool for Jamet, Bill, but I had no idea you took it to such extremes. Doesn't it clash with the peanut butter?

Mark Lipton

p.s. John, I do like salt bagels. <troll> They're the closest thing NYC has to a good Philly soft pretzel </troll>

What. no C-R?
Infidel!

Côte-Rôtie with bagels? I knew you were a fool for Jamet, Bill, but I had no idea you took it to such extremes. Doesn't it clash with the peanut butter?

Mark Lipton

p.s. John, I do like salt bagels. <troll> They're the closest thing NYC has to a good Philly soft pretzel </troll>

That pretzel never impressed me as much as I hear it is supposed to impress. What am I missing?

I'll nibble on my raisin/cinnamon/orange peel knish while I wait for your answer.

Another method was to swallow nutmeg in warm water on the way to the induction station. You'd be hallucinating while at your physical, and until the following day.

Urban legend. Trust me on this. I tried (not to evade the draft, but for, er, scientific research). It's useless. Ditto the similar legend about banana peels.

But morning glory seeds were no urban legend, Robin, though you'd have to be a pretty desperate sort to seek your entertainment with them IMO. As I recall, the sales of the "heavenly blue" seeds saw a huge increase in the late '60s.

Mark "4F for life" Lipton

Another method was to swallow nutmeg in warm water on the way to the induction station. You'd be hallucinating while at your physical, and until the following day.

Urban legend. Trust me on this. I tried (not to evade the draft, but for, er, scientific research). It's useless. Ditto the similar legend about banana peels.

But morning glory seeds were no urban legend, Robin, though you'd have to be a pretty desperate sort to seek your entertainment with them IMO. As I recall, the sales of the "heavenly blue" seeds saw a huge increase in the late '60s.

Mark "4F for life" Lipton

Desperate? I confess. I did it only once, and I can state plainly that it is NOT an urban legend, but it tastes horrible and it doesn't feel much better than that--after the flights.