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Matt Richman wrote:Having never bought boxed wine, I can only relay this information as conjecture not from personal experience.
Robin Garr wrote:Matt Richman wrote:Having never bought boxed wine, I can only relay this information as conjecture not from personal experience.
I've purchased box wine on occasion for the sake of science ... tasting it blind against wines in standard bottles to compare and contrast.
In my opinion, your point is valid but with limitations: First, the bag-in-box reduces air exposure but doesn't absolutely deter it, probably because the plastic allows some air transmission (would be my guess). I'd say the box is good for a month or six weeks in the fridge, but going longer is iffy.
The bigger problem, though, is that the box format is generally used for cheap, industrial wines below the standard most wine geeks would require. The Black Box brand from California is better than most (but also more expensive than most), and it's still competing against the Woodbridge level of generic, mass-produced wines. It would be interesting to see a manufacturer try putting higher-quality wine in box, but my guess is that it's a dubious commercial niche, at least unless they figure a way to market it that would overcome the downscale reputation of the genre. (Sort of like the prejudice that screw caps had to overcome before wine enthusiasts began accepting them.)
Robin Garr wrote:Matt Richman wrote:The bigger problem, though, is that the box format is generally used for cheap, industrial wines below the standard most wine geeks would require. The Black Box brand from California is better than most (but also more expensive than most), and it's still competing against the Woodbridge level of generic, mass-produced wines. It would be interesting to see a manufacturer try putting higher-quality wine in box, but my guess is that it's a dubious commercial niche, at least unless they figure a way to market it that would overcome the downscale reputation of the genre. (Sort of like the prejudice that screw caps had to overcome before wine enthusiasts began accepting them.)
Mark Lipton wrote:I was going to make that screwcap analogy until I saw your last sentence, Robin. Yes, there is that negative association, but, no, it's not immutable. As with screwcaps, it merely takes some initiative from wineries and some open-mindedness from consumers.
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Robin Garr wrote:Mark Lipton wrote:I was going to make that screwcap analogy until I saw your last sentence, Robin. Yes, there is that negative association, but, no, it's not immutable. As with screwcaps, it merely takes some initiative from wineries and some open-mindedness from consumers.
I don't think we're disagreeing at all, Mark. You're saying the exact thing I was trying to say, but maybe I didn't do it clearly.
Mark Lipton wrote:Well, Robin, since you were trained as a journalist, no one really expects you to have great writing skills.
Now, if you'd just received a science degree, like moi...
Matt Richman wrote:This entire thread is like a plea for good wine to be sold in boxes. Boxed wine keeps fresh for a long time because within the box there is a plastic bag that contracts as the wine is removed, keeping harmful air out.
Having never bought boxed wine, I can only relay this information as conjecture not from personal experience.
Michael Pronay wrote:— it's definitely not screwcaps with a proven ageing curve of 40+ years for red (Mercurey test bottlings from Université de Dijon from the mid 1960s) and 35+ years for white (Penfold's rieslings from the early 1970s).
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